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No, the "Crimea clearly belongs to Russia" part, among other things. And submitting to Russia does not equal "saving humanity" in my book. Far from it in fact.

No, the "Crimea clearly belongs to Russia" part, among other things. And submitting to Russia does not equal "saving humanity" in my book. Far from it in fact. Also the "cost" of keeping Starlink alive in Ukraine, while it clearly has or will have a return on investment. (Ukrainians are already buying and paying subscriptions for that). Edit: What was also disgusting was to ask what Kasparov did except tweet. And after it became very clear that he was protesting the Putin regime for many years already, Elon had the guts to up the ante and state that he's an "idiot". Sorry, but such things reveal what kind of person you are.

jimmyjazz14 4y ago
I think a lot of people in the United States do not fully understand the Crimea thing and Ukraine's stance on the area (before the conflict). I don't have an opinion on the matter other than to say it is probably worth learning more about Crimea and its history before jumping to conclusions.
- koonsolo 4y ago
  I agree and I fully understand. I'm from EU working with Ukrainian colleagues, so for me it's closer. I was never too bothered with other wars that were "far away", so I understand for US it's "far away'. But it was really strange to see all these rich US Silicon Valley guys wanting to share their uninformed opinion, and then get trashed by people who do know.
wongarsu 4y ago
Giving Russia Crimea would just return to the de-facto borders of 2021 and formalizing them. Of course that's a concession to Russia, but to deescalate you have to give both sides something to claim as victory.
- koonsolo 4y ago
  Sure, in 2004 they poisoned Yushchenko. In 2014 they illegally annex Crimea and invade a part of the Donbas. Then by Elon and your suggestion, in 2022 they legally take Crimea, and after killing all the locals let's have some official elections in the landbridge areas. Ukraine stays "neutral", just like they already were (seemed to work out great for them!) Any predictions for 2030?
  - wongarsu 4y ago
    Given that conceding Crimea would make the entire war eerily similar to the Winter war, my prediction for 2030 would be that either Germany or China attacks the West in all out war, and we join forces with Russia to fight them (/s) Conceding territory isn't great if your main goal is to dissuade Russia, but nobody ever claimed that that was Musks goal. His purported goal is reducing the risk of human extinction, even from some less likely risks. It's a different risk assessment that leads to different priorities. > and your suggestion I didn't suggest it, I merely tried to show that Musk's suggestion is completely in line with "saving humanity" and completely in character.
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  > but to deescalate you have to give both sides something to claim as victory. So what lane mass of Russia the same size of Crimea does Ukraine get?. Or do they get nothing of value at all as their “victory”?.

jimmyjazz14 4y ago

I think a lot of people in the United States do not fully understand the Crimea thing and Ukraine's stance on the area (before the conflict). I don't have an opinion on the matter other than to say it is probably worth learning more about Crimea and its history before jumping to conclusions.

koonsolo 4y ago
I agree and I fully understand. I'm from EU working with Ukrainian colleagues, so for me it's closer. I was never too bothered with other wars that were "far away", so I understand for US it's "far away'. But it was really strange to see all these rich US Silicon Valley guys wanting to share their uninformed opinion, and then get trashed by people who do know.

wongarsu 4y ago

Giving Russia Crimea would just return to the de-facto borders of 2021 and formalizing them. Of course that's a concession to Russia, but to deescalate you have to give both sides something to claim as victory.

koonsolo 4y ago
Sure, in 2004 they poisoned Yushchenko. In 2014 they illegally annex Crimea and invade a part of the Donbas. Then by Elon and your suggestion, in 2022 they legally take Crimea, and after killing all the locals let's have some official elections in the landbridge areas. Ukraine stays "neutral", just like they already were (seemed to work out great for them!) Any predictions for 2030?
- wongarsu 4y ago
  Given that conceding Crimea would make the entire war eerily similar to the Winter war, my prediction for 2030 would be that either Germany or China attacks the West in all out war, and we join forces with Russia to fight them (/s) Conceding territory isn't great if your main goal is to dissuade Russia, but nobody ever claimed that that was Musks goal. His purported goal is reducing the risk of human extinction, even from some less likely risks. It's a different risk assessment that leads to different priorities. > and your suggestion I didn't suggest it, I merely tried to show that Musk's suggestion is completely in line with "saving humanity" and completely in character.
_kbh_ 4y ago
> but to deescalate you have to give both sides something to claim as victory. So what lane mass of Russia the same size of Crimea does Ukraine get?. Or do they get nothing of value at all as their “victory”?.