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You cannot have the former without the latter.
by halfmatthalfcat 4y ago
You cannot have the former without the latter.
- negamax 4y agoAs a PoC imo diversity of ideas/viewpoints is much more important
- jasonlotito 4y agoAnd yet... "As a PoC" I think it's fair to say that ideas/viewpoints are very important, but to ignore the reality of groups of people frequently targeted is silly.
- such12 4y ago> to ignore the reality of groups of people frequently targeted is silly. He clearly isn’t.
- jasonlotito 4y agoThey are downplaying them, which is clearly my point.
- such12 4y agoI don’t think so. As a PoC, their comment is by definition a reflection of the reality of a targeted group.
- cman1444 4y agoWhy not?
- encryptluks2 4y agoBecause a bunch of white men can't mansplain and understand the challenges women and PoC go through.
- hitpointdrew 4y agoThis is the most ignorant thing I have read in awhile. Adversity is adversity, white males face it, women face it, PoC face it. What you don't think there are white kids with single moms? Or white kids that had dads that beat them? Or white kids that were molested? Or white kids that got harassed by police? Or white kids that were told to give up, or that they wouldn't amount to anything? Your view of white people is completely detached from reality. Anyone who has been through adversity (most people), can empathize with anyone else who has gone through adversity even if the circumstances of that adversity weren't exactly the same.
- philosopher1234 4y agoInteresting. I imagine that means you're a real champion of improving opportunities for minorities, and spend a substantial amount of your time taking action to try and solve that problem, since adversity is adversity.
- hitpointdrew 4y agoI'll happily oppose any racist law or coporate policy. Do you care to point me to any? And not just some "systemic racist" boogie man in the sky?
- philosopher1234 4y agoGood for you. Do you spend time actually researching systematic racism? Since we’re all just people perfectly capable of advocating for the same justice im sure you do.
- virgildotcodes 4y agoTo echo the person you're responding to, what have you actually done to date to "improv[e] opportunities for minorities, and spend a substantial amount of your time taking action to try and solve that problem"? Saying you will take hypothetical action is easy, but all that matters is what you've actually done and are doing. If you haven't taken any substantial action to date then perhaps consider that may be a sign that you are not as motivated and understanding about the oppression of others as your initial comment may have indicated. If on the other hand you have been involved in a significant amount of anti-racist activism that's genuinely awesome.
- memish 4y agoYou can't be serious. Ideas are not attached to skin color. That's a regressive, racist belief.
- philosopher1234 4y agoSo your interest in elon musk and free speech is just the objectively correct thing to be interested in, and isn't attached to your biography at all?
- memish 4y agoCorrect.
- philosopher1234 4y agoIdiot
- memish 4y agoI may not agree with your assessment of my intelligence, but I defend your right to say it.
- mardifoufs 4y agoCan you tell me what me being an arab and a muslim has anything to with my reaction to musk's purchase? Try answering without resorting to racial essentialism
- hitpointdrew 4y agoYou can have the latter and have a echo chamber of a single narrative, which is exactly twitter was. Then pat your self on the back "OH we are so inclusive look at the the different skin tones!" Yeah but everyone has the same boring ideas so what the fuck does that matter?
- virgildotcodes 4y agoIf the same boring ideas of that diverse group of men, women, LBGTQ people and PoC are that we need to strive for equality between all of these groups... that is exactly the point.
- hitpointdrew 4y ago> that we need to strive for equality between all of these groups That is fucking terrifying and most centrality undesirable, unless you mean equality of opportunity, then absolutely. But equality of outcome is the worst possible thing anyone could ever strive for.
- virgildotcodes 4y agoYes, I am saying we need to neurally castrate every intelligent person to be no smarter than the dumbest person. We need to cut the tendons of every person who is more athletically capable than the most disabled person. We need to burn down everyone's houses so that we can all share cardboard boxes alongside the homeless. Yes. Yes. This is what the position is. Don't let anyone ever try to tell you otherwise. There is no equality of opportunity for groups of people that have had generation after generation of systemic oppression, exclusion and poverty. You don't do that to an entire subculture of people for hundreds of years, and then think you can snap your fingers and say "Okay cool, segregation is over so now we all have equal opportunity!" There is so much that goes into being a successful person that is subtle, environmental, learned through exposure, enabled by connections and passed down through generations. Same goes for the flipside which is called the cycle of poverty. There's a lot of damage that needs to be undone, which will take active investment on behalf of society at large to accomplish. I'm too tired to write out an essay on the history of racism in the US and why that history is still a massive burden on the descendants of those people today. This information is widely available if you genuinely want to understand.
- Lonestar1440 4y agoYou quite obviously can. For what idea can you not find a person with Black skin who supports it? You've got Black centre-rightists like me, Far Rightists like Clarence Thomas, Barack Obama in the middle, and quite a range of voices on the Left - I'll pick Ta-Nehisi Coates as a very talented example over there.
- drewrv 4y agoThere is more to life than a left/right spectrum.
- Lonestar1440 4y agoYou give the viewpoint, I'll give the Black person who espouses it. What's #1?
- drstewart 4y agoThank you. I hope this is a truly diverse council composed of different races and ages. Maybe Trump, Rubio, Thomas, Crenshaw, Boebert would be diverse enough for you?
- icare_1er 4y agoAre you saying that ideas depend on skin colors ?
- throw_m239339 4y agoSure you can.