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Would you mind adding a few more words to explain how the destruction of cultural heritage by the Islamic State relates to climate activism?

pelasaco 4y ago
- uxcolumbo 4y ago
  You're still not explaining how 2 teenagers throwing tomato soup on a painting protected by glass is the same as the Islamic State blowing up ancient buildings. One group trying to raise awareness about the climate crisis, which is a threat to human civilization as we know it. The other group uses explosives that kills people.
  - pelasaco 4y ago
    well flagging the comments, because you dont like it, is not a way to keep a discussion.
    - uxcolumbo 4y ago
      I didn't. Accusing me of flagging your comment is also not a way to keep a discussion. But I still like to hear why you think those teenagers who carried out a non-violent civil disobedience protest is the same as the Islamic State destroying ancient buildings and killing people.
      - pelasaco 4y ago
        > Islamic State destroying ancient buildings and killing people. You added "killing people" to the statement because...? You are being lazy tbh or not just occasional hypocrite. If you cannot create a link between "destroying human heritage" and "for a policial cause", I don't think we have much to keep discussing here. Yes until now the "attacks" were harmless but it is escalating. They will increase the damage otherwise they dont get the attention that they want[1]. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/kenney-suzuki-climate-change-1.6260987 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/kenney-suzuki-climate...
        uxcolumbo 4y ago
        > You added "killing people" to the statement because Because it's a fact that is relevant for this discussion. IS have not only destroyed ancient buildings, but they have also killed thousands of people. IS is a terrorist organization [0] Please explain how mentioning that fact is hypocritical or lazy? You are equating climate activists with a terrorist organization. Have climate activists killed thousands of people? And FYI - the climate activists have not destroyed the paintings. The paintings were protected by glass. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_linked_to_the_Islamic_State https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_li...
        pelasaco 4y ago
        its an issue that is escalating. They won't keep doing the same terror. They will escalate it, trying to shock more and more. Terrorist attacks don't have to result in death, why you think that it is the case? The eco-terrorists in germany did already some attacks in 2021, without any death, but still a terror attack https://electrek.co/2021/05/26/tesla-factory-construction-site-attacked-saboteurs-electric-cables-fire/ https://electrek.co/2021/05/26/tesla-factory-construction-si...
        uxcolumbo 4y ago
        You seem to be lumping all climate activists into one group and then saying they will all act like Islamic State eventually and commit violent behavior that will kill thousands of people. You are using 'Vulkangruppe' who is described as a saboteur group in the article you shared as an example for what the other groups might become. I couldn't find any more information about them. All other major climate activist groups have websites, like Greenpeace, Fridays for future, Friends of the Earth, etc. Are you really claiming that the following 2 climate activist groups for example will eventually commit murder? Scientists protesting https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-stage-worldwide-climate-protests-after-ipcc-report-180979913/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-stage-w... Young climate activists protesting https://fridaysforfuture.org/ https://fridaysforfuture.org/

pelasaco 4y ago

uxcolumbo 4y ago
You're still not explaining how 2 teenagers throwing tomato soup on a painting protected by glass is the same as the Islamic State blowing up ancient buildings. One group trying to raise awareness about the climate crisis, which is a threat to human civilization as we know it. The other group uses explosives that kills people.
- pelasaco 4y ago
  well flagging the comments, because you dont like it, is not a way to keep a discussion.
  - uxcolumbo 4y ago
    I didn't. Accusing me of flagging your comment is also not a way to keep a discussion. But I still like to hear why you think those teenagers who carried out a non-violent civil disobedience protest is the same as the Islamic State destroying ancient buildings and killing people.
    - pelasaco 4y ago
      > Islamic State destroying ancient buildings and killing people. You added "killing people" to the statement because...? You are being lazy tbh or not just occasional hypocrite. If you cannot create a link between "destroying human heritage" and "for a policial cause", I don't think we have much to keep discussing here. Yes until now the "attacks" were harmless but it is escalating. They will increase the damage otherwise they dont get the attention that they want[1]. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/kenney-suzuki-climate-change-1.6260987 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/kenney-suzuki-climate...
      - uxcolumbo 4y ago
        > You added "killing people" to the statement because Because it's a fact that is relevant for this discussion. IS have not only destroyed ancient buildings, but they have also killed thousands of people. IS is a terrorist organization [0] Please explain how mentioning that fact is hypocritical or lazy? You are equating climate activists with a terrorist organization. Have climate activists killed thousands of people? And FYI - the climate activists have not destroyed the paintings. The paintings were protected by glass. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_linked_to_the_Islamic_State https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_li...
        pelasaco 4y ago
        its an issue that is escalating. They won't keep doing the same terror. They will escalate it, trying to shock more and more. Terrorist attacks don't have to result in death, why you think that it is the case? The eco-terrorists in germany did already some attacks in 2021, without any death, but still a terror attack https://electrek.co/2021/05/26/tesla-factory-construction-site-attacked-saboteurs-electric-cables-fire/ https://electrek.co/2021/05/26/tesla-factory-construction-si...
        uxcolumbo 4y ago
        You seem to be lumping all climate activists into one group and then saying they will all act like Islamic State eventually and commit violent behavior that will kill thousands of people. You are using 'Vulkangruppe' who is described as a saboteur group in the article you shared as an example for what the other groups might become. I couldn't find any more information about them. All other major climate activist groups have websites, like Greenpeace, Fridays for future, Friends of the Earth, etc. Are you really claiming that the following 2 climate activist groups for example will eventually commit murder? Scientists protesting https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-stage-worldwide-climate-protests-after-ipcc-report-180979913/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-stage-w... Young climate activists protesting https://fridaysforfuture.org/ https://fridaysforfuture.org/