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> Legal interpretation of the constitution has also very clearly found that a huge collection of actual literal Nazis marching around shouting "death to jews" a

> Legal interpretation of the constitution has also very clearly found that a huge collection of actual literal Nazis marching around shouting "death to jews" at the top of their lungs is a-okay. Not okay, but not illegal, and better than the alternative i.e. a society without freedom of speech (as the Reich was, or Weimar Germany).

UncleMeat 4y ago
Better than the alternative for limits on the government perhaps. Better for moderation on social media? I don't really agree. I do find the continued attempts to paint social media kicking transphobes off their platforms as equivalent to the actual Nazis hilarious, though.
- brigandish 4y ago
  I wouldn't say it's equivalent but it's certainly comparable.
  - UncleMeat 4y ago
    And as I mentioned, I find that completely hilarious.
    - brigandish 4y ago
      I hope that getting that off your chest was a help to you but for the rest of us Twitter would surely be a better place to share that.
      - UncleMeat 4y ago
        I hope that you take the threats to our elections as seriously as you take transphobes getting banned from twitter.
        brigandish 4y ago
        1. I'm not American. 2. I probably take the threats to your elections more seriously than you (I read whole of the the Antrim County computer forensics report, I'll never get that time back but I put in the effort). 3. To label ideological opponents with the label of a mental illness simply for disagreement is a poor show. 4. I take anyone being banned from anything for speech that should be free (which is almost all speech) very seriously. 5. "haha Nazis are shit" is below par for HN. Try not to waste my time and others with stuff you can safely spew out on Twitter and get likes for even though it's vapid.
        UncleMeat 4y ago
        > I probably take the threats to your elections more seriously than you (I read whole of the the Antrim County computer forensics report, I'll never get that time back but I put in the effort). I don't think that's true, since you think that people being banned on social media is a greater threat to a fall to authoritarianism. > To label ideological opponents with the label of a mental illness simply for disagreement is a poor show. I did not do this. Nor is this just "simply for disagreement." Argument over the best way of funding retirement savings programs is distinct from arguments over whether or not to throw gay people in prison, for example. > I take anyone being banned from anything for speech that should be free (which is almost all speech) very seriously. I'm sure you do. I hope that you also donate your time and money to those who suffer at the hands of people spreading hate. > haha Nazis are shit" is below par for HN. Try not to waste my time and others with stuff you can safely spew out on Twitter and get likes for even though it's vapid. Nazis are shit. You are treating me like a child. You use this "you talk like you are on Twitter" move pretty often as a way of talking down to people.
        brigandish 4y ago
        > you think that people being banned on social media is a greater threat to a fall to authoritarianism. That's a strange reading that seems to assume that free speech goes hand in hand with authoritarianism, a laughable notion. Free speech is the antithesis of authoritarianism. No authoritarian has ever allowed anything approaching freedom of speech within their jurisdiction and sometimes even enforce it far beyond. As such, what you think is wrong. > > To label ideological opponents with the label of a mental illness simply for disagreement is a poor show. > I did not do this. A phobia is a mental illness, you call your ideological opponents transphobes, so you did do this. It's pathetic name calling. > I hope that you also donate your time and money to those who suffer at the hands of people spreading hate. I'm here right now spending my time doing just that because you quite clearly do hate your opponents. > Nazis are shit. You are treating me like a child. No one here has claimed that Nazis aren't shit but you're acting like a teenager high on self righteousness that thinks proclaiming that is some kind of insight for the rest of us. It is childish. As I wrote, HN isn't the place, and one reason I bring it up far too often is because far too often of late I see people, like yourself, treating it as such. I make no apologies for wanting the standards to remain high.

UncleMeat 4y ago

Better than the alternative for limits on the government perhaps. Better for moderation on social media? I don't really agree. I do find the continued attempts to paint social media kicking transphobes off their platforms as equivalent to the actual Nazis hilarious, though.

brigandish 4y ago
I wouldn't say it's equivalent but it's certainly comparable.
- UncleMeat 4y ago
  And as I mentioned, I find that completely hilarious.
  - brigandish 4y ago
    I hope that getting that off your chest was a help to you but for the rest of us Twitter would surely be a better place to share that.
    - UncleMeat 4y ago
      I hope that you take the threats to our elections as seriously as you take transphobes getting banned from twitter.
      - brigandish 4y ago
        1. I'm not American. 2. I probably take the threats to your elections more seriously than you (I read whole of the the Antrim County computer forensics report, I'll never get that time back but I put in the effort). 3. To label ideological opponents with the label of a mental illness simply for disagreement is a poor show. 4. I take anyone being banned from anything for speech that should be free (which is almost all speech) very seriously. 5. "haha Nazis are shit" is below par for HN. Try not to waste my time and others with stuff you can safely spew out on Twitter and get likes for even though it's vapid.
        UncleMeat 4y ago
        > I probably take the threats to your elections more seriously than you (I read whole of the the Antrim County computer forensics report, I'll never get that time back but I put in the effort). I don't think that's true, since you think that people being banned on social media is a greater threat to a fall to authoritarianism. > To label ideological opponents with the label of a mental illness simply for disagreement is a poor show. I did not do this. Nor is this just "simply for disagreement." Argument over the best way of funding retirement savings programs is distinct from arguments over whether or not to throw gay people in prison, for example. > I take anyone being banned from anything for speech that should be free (which is almost all speech) very seriously. I'm sure you do. I hope that you also donate your time and money to those who suffer at the hands of people spreading hate. > haha Nazis are shit" is below par for HN. Try not to waste my time and others with stuff you can safely spew out on Twitter and get likes for even though it's vapid. Nazis are shit. You are treating me like a child. You use this "you talk like you are on Twitter" move pretty often as a way of talking down to people.
        brigandish 4y ago
        > you think that people being banned on social media is a greater threat to a fall to authoritarianism. That's a strange reading that seems to assume that free speech goes hand in hand with authoritarianism, a laughable notion. Free speech is the antithesis of authoritarianism. No authoritarian has ever allowed anything approaching freedom of speech within their jurisdiction and sometimes even enforce it far beyond. As such, what you think is wrong. > > To label ideological opponents with the label of a mental illness simply for disagreement is a poor show. > I did not do this. A phobia is a mental illness, you call your ideological opponents transphobes, so you did do this. It's pathetic name calling. > I hope that you also donate your time and money to those who suffer at the hands of people spreading hate. I'm here right now spending my time doing just that because you quite clearly do hate your opponents. > Nazis are shit. You are treating me like a child. No one here has claimed that Nazis aren't shit but you're acting like a teenager high on self righteousness that thinks proclaiming that is some kind of insight for the rest of us. It is childish. As I wrote, HN isn't the place, and one reason I bring it up far too often is because far too often of late I see people, like yourself, treating it as such. I make no apologies for wanting the standards to remain high.