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I think at these sizes and weights, the GPU needs to become a board that you screw onto the case, like a second motherboard. Sagging solved. Now the noisy fan,

I think at these sizes and weights, the GPU needs to become a board that you screw onto the case, like a second motherboard. Sagging solved. Now the noisy fan, replace it with a preinstalled water cooling block to be integrated with your overall cooling solution, voila: noise and weird airflow solved as well.

paulmd 4y ago
Exactly, that's what I mean by "on rails". Imagine sliding a server PSU into place and it latches as it seats... do that but with a "GPU module". The case itself needs to be part of the support to fix GPU sag, and that's only possible with dimensional and connectical standardization. Smaller stuff that still reflects the "add-in-card" intention of the original design is fine, you can still have a bunch of PCIe slots for network cards and USB controllers if you want. But the GPU is not really an "add-in-card" anymore and it's problematic in a design sense to keep acting like it is, let alone to have every single product on the market doing something completely different dimensionally. That's the "pre-USB-micro" era problem that USB faced. There's no need for water though, that's a whole can of worms.
- flatiron 4y ago
  AGP part deux
squeaky-clean 4y ago
All in one water loops aren't as great as they make them out to be. You still need fans on a radiator, they can be quieter because they're often larger. Pump failures are more common than fan failures and harder to repair. Traveling with a water loop is a nightmare unless you drain it first.
- gtirloni 4y ago
  Who's traveling with an ATX tower? In any case, I've always used the standard water cooling kits and they never failed me (as opposed to constantly breaking fans and huge temperatures). Maybe it's my environment.
  - dvngnt_ 4y ago
    people with apartments who move
  - squeaky-clean 4y ago
    My PC with a GTX 1060 has survived 4 moves.
  - lightedman 4y ago
    In my LAN days, I traveled with a MASSIVE Antec case with water cooling, and a 21" Trinitron.
dtx1 4y ago
I think we should stop having them as separate cards altogether. GPU RAM already can't be socketed anymore and Apple Silicone has shown massive CPU improvements are possible with soldered ram. It hurts my DIY PC Enthusiast Spirit but buying a mainboard with CPU, GPU and RAM all soldered in for massive gains in efficiency, performance and potentially even price could well be worth it. The interconnection between CPU, GPU and their respective RAM could potentially be massively improved by this. I am aware that modern gaming consoles are basically this but they make lot's of tradeoffs that a Desktop PC doesn't necessarily have to. Single Die GPU-CPU Combination for example. On the PC world you can reasonably pay twice as much and get twice the silicon for twice the performance, a tradeoff Consoles can't make. and as for the server this could make essentially large 1U GPU racks possible by just having one big board per U with all the gpus in it.

paulmd 4y ago

Exactly, that's what I mean by "on rails". Imagine sliding a server PSU into place and it latches as it seats... do that but with a "GPU module". The case itself needs to be part of the support to fix GPU sag, and that's only possible with dimensional and connectical standardization. Smaller stuff that still reflects the "add-in-card" intention of the original design is fine, you can still have a bunch of PCIe slots for network cards and USB controllers if you want. But the GPU is not really an "add-in-card" anymore and it's problematic in a design sense to keep acting like it is, let alone to have every single product on the market doing something completely different dimensionally. That's the "pre-USB-micro" era problem that USB faced. There's no need for water though, that's a whole can of worms.

flatiron 4y ago
AGP part deux

squeaky-clean 4y ago

All in one water loops aren't as great as they make them out to be. You still need fans on a radiator, they can be quieter because they're often larger. Pump failures are more common than fan failures and harder to repair. Traveling with a water loop is a nightmare unless you drain it first.

gtirloni 4y ago
Who's traveling with an ATX tower? In any case, I've always used the standard water cooling kits and they never failed me (as opposed to constantly breaking fans and huge temperatures). Maybe it's my environment.
- dvngnt_ 4y ago
  people with apartments who move
- squeaky-clean 4y ago
  My PC with a GTX 1060 has survived 4 moves.
- lightedman 4y ago
  In my LAN days, I traveled with a MASSIVE Antec case with water cooling, and a 21" Trinitron.

dtx1 4y ago

I think we should stop having them as separate cards altogether. GPU RAM already can't be socketed anymore and Apple Silicone has shown massive CPU improvements are possible with soldered ram. It hurts my DIY PC Enthusiast Spirit but buying a mainboard with CPU, GPU and RAM all soldered in for massive gains in efficiency, performance and potentially even price could well be worth it. The interconnection between CPU, GPU and their respective RAM could potentially be massively improved by this. I am aware that modern gaming consoles are basically this but they make lot's of tradeoffs that a Desktop PC doesn't necessarily have to. Single Die GPU-CPU Combination for example. On the PC world you can reasonably pay twice as much and get twice the silicon for twice the performance, a tradeoff Consoles can't make. and as for the server this could make essentially large 1U GPU racks possible by just having one big board per U with all the gpus in it.