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>a kid down the street from the house I grew up in moved to Hollywood to get involved in acting and changed his name but not his gender. he asked everyone to re
by cmh89 4y ago
>a kid down the street from the house I grew up in moved to Hollywood to get involved in acting and changed his name but not his gender. he asked everyone to refer to him by his new name instead of his old one. how is this functionally different from someone changing their gender and their name at the same time, with regards to the name change? it doesn't matter why someone wants to change their name, they want to change their name, you should respect that.
I mean, are you arguing with yourself? I certainly never said you shouldn't respect peoples preferences.
>every headline and social media post I see that contains the string "Kanye" or "Kanye West", outside of those who couch it in the context of some variation of "Ye, the artist formerly known as Kanye West", proves that, despite all pretenses to the contrary, there is in fact a brazen double standard when it comes to asserting one's own identity in terms of LEGALLY changing their name, and having everyone else respect it, such that trans people are supposed to get special consideration in this regard compared to everyone else, somehow.
And when Elliot Page or Caitlyn Jenner publicly transitioned, the media did the same thing because using their former name provides utility.
You still seem really confused about what the issue is. People aren't being banned on twitter because they slipped up once and deadnamed someone, they are being banned because there is a coordinated campaign by conservatives to deadname trans folks in an attempt to bully and offend them. They are banned because the intent behind the action is to hurt.
>only extremely convoluted contemporary political pseudo-logic could explain how this actually makes perfect sense, how it's okay to call him Kanye West but it's not okay to call him Ellen Page, and how those two things are Actually Completely Different Situations instead of Exactly The Same Thing.
Again, you seem to be arguing with yourself. But you also seem to not understand the difference between accidentally using someones former name and purposefully using it as a tool to try and hurt them.
>the man has openly said as much; does his own position on his own identity not have any value to you?
At this point I'm pretty convinced you aren't actually reading anything, and instead are just responding with canned response.
> is that not the entire idea behind the concept of "deadnaming" to begin with?
No, and you don't seem to be familiar with what deadnaming is. If you follow that google link you can read some information on it so you understand it better.
- adamrezich 4y agoyou're stating that "conservatives" on twitter are deadnaming trans people "because the intent behind the action is to hurt." I'm stating that the media is doing the same thing to Ye. the only difference is that he's not trans, which you seem to think confers special privileges with regards to correct name use that nobody else has access to, and that "deadnaming" is an exclusively anti-trans phenomenon. you are the one who is not reading my posts: I specifically said that using "Kanye West" in the context of "formerly known as" makes plenty of sense. however this is not what has been happening in many, many headlines, all easily findable on news.google.com. I am pointing out this contradiction, and you are saying it's not a contradiction at all, because Ye is not trans, and people using his previous name are not intentionally trying to hurt him, but are just lazy or ignorant or whatever excuses you have. you're just talking past me without actually addressing anything I'm saying at this point, so there's no real use in continuing this discussion.
- cmh89 4y ago>I'm stating that the media is doing the same thing to Ye That's fine, you should probably find something to support that. I haven't seen anything that indicates Ye is offended by being called 'Kayne West'. His official website is www.kaynewest.com. Could you post some examples where it's obvious that they are refusing to call him Ye? >the only difference is that he's not trans, which you seem to think confers special privileges with regards to correct name use that nobody else has access to Look, I'm happy to continue this conversation, but you are either failing to grasp basic concepts or pretending you don't. I've never said people shouldn't use his chosen name. > I am pointing out this contradiction, and you are saying it's not a contradiction at all, because Ye is not trans, and people using his previous name are not intentionally trying to hurt him, but are just lazy or ignorant or whatever excuses you have. you're just talking past me without actually addressing anything I'm saying at this point, so there's no real use in continuing this discussion. This is really embarrassing for you. I'm sorry for you if you can't read a basic definition, and I'm even more sorry for you if you can't tell the difference between using the wrong on accident and using it to hurt someone. It sounds like you have a lot of growing to do as a person. I agree that there is no point to this discussion.