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> No way in hell the European countries would let the UK in after all the smears and scorn directed at them over a decade and especially during the Brexit proce

> No way in hell the European countries would let the UK in after all the smears and scorn directed at them over a decade and especially during the Brexit process. Just one country's people rejecting the UK in the obligatory referendum would scuttle the process. And there are many countries which would just do that. Minor correction: the countries' peoples don't really have a lot of say in any EU-level policy. They elect their national governments, who do. If you need an example of this, read up on the 'Spitzenkandidaten' process and how - despite it, and the Parliament - Ursula von der Leyen ended up getting her job. There is a lot of good stuff that results from the EU. A shining example of direct democracy in action, not so much.

unity1001 4y ago
> Minor correction: the countries' peoples don't really have a lot of say in any EU-level policy That's factually false: Every single Eu rule and initiative must be approved by the European parliament. The European Parliament's members are elected directly by the European people through proportional representation. Its much more democratic than the UK with its veto-powered royals, upper house with hereditary aristocrats and FPTP system.
- logifail 4y ago
  > Every single Eu rule and initiative must be approved by the European parliament I'm not sure what good that does. When did your MEP last initiate a piece of legislation? The EU is as far from a direct democracy as it's possible to be. I'm currently in Switzerland, they have regular referendums, that's what makes a direct democracy. Ursula von der Leyen was picked for her job in an intransparent closed-doors process, she wasn't even a candidate for anything. "On 2 July 2019, von der Leyen was proposed by the European Council as the candidate for president of the European Commission"[0] [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen

unity1001 4y ago

> Minor correction: the countries' peoples don't really have a lot of say in any EU-level policy That's factually false: Every single Eu rule and initiative must be approved by the European parliament. The European Parliament's members are elected directly by the European people through proportional representation. Its much more democratic than the UK with its veto-powered royals, upper house with hereditary aristocrats and FPTP system.

logifail 4y ago
> Every single Eu rule and initiative must be approved by the European parliament I'm not sure what good that does. When did your MEP last initiate a piece of legislation? The EU is as far from a direct democracy as it's possible to be. I'm currently in Switzerland, they have regular referendums, that's what makes a direct democracy. Ursula von der Leyen was picked for her job in an intransparent closed-doors process, she wasn't even a candidate for anything. "On 2 July 2019, von der Leyen was proposed by the European Council as the candidate for president of the European Commission"[0] [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen