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You're all arguing about a red herring anyways. As with many of the things Elon has tweeted or said, appearing to value free speech for Twitter was just him ap
by three_seagrass 4y ago
You're all arguing about a red herring anyways.
As with many of the things Elon has tweeted or said, appearing to value free speech for Twitter was just him appealing to conservatives, upset with their perception of cancel culture.
Wait to see if Elon actually makes any TOS and policy changes in the next month, and debate then.
- memish 4y agoMy entire life free speech was a liberal value and I believe it still is. Why are people saying it's conservative all of a sudden?
- likeclockwork 4y agoMy entire life private property was a right-wing value. Why are they against it all of a sudden?
- MichaelCollins 4y agoThe right to own private property is and has always been a liberal value. The (absurd, imho) belief that such a right should preclude any sort of government regulation is a libertarian value.
- AnimalMuppet 4y agoBecause liberal used to mean "supporting liberty" (the classical definition). But it has come to mean "agreeing with a certain set of beliefs and policies", and (recently) trying to de-platform anyone who publicly disagrees. And, in our bipolar political spectrum, those who disagree with the "liberals" are the "conservatives", who are therefore the ones the "liberals" are trying to de-platform. So the "conservatives" believe very strongly in free speech (at the moment) because it's their speech that is currently getting crimped. And, seeing the trends, they think it's likely to get worse in the future. (As, say, anything disagreeing with the current "liberal" position gets labeled "racist" or "transphobic" or something, designed to make it virtuous to censor.)
- t-3 4y agoLiberalism is now conservative. Note that conservative and progressive as labels apply relative to the status quo - what was in your youth is not necessarily any longer.
- felixgallo 4y agofree speech is a liberal value. The conservatives, however, have tried to hide behind 'free speech' in order to compel speech from private entities, and have tried to pretend that they don't have a hammerlock on the mainstream media, and have tried to pretend that 'big tech' is nebulously conspiring against them whenever it enacts basic decency community standards.
- Jordrok 4y agoIt's not, conservatives just like to believe that they are the only ones who value it.
- norwalkbear 4y agoBecause liberals started censoring people. Conservative and liberals have flip flipped on worker rights, corporate power and speech
- three_seagrass 4y agoConservatives have shown they have a blind spot for perceived persecution, at least from the perspective of moderates on the sidelines. It leaves conservatives open to being conned by everything from Chinese electronics manufacturers [1] to bankrupt reality TV stars [2]. Misconstruing TOS agreement violations as censorship persecution makes it easy for billionaires to win conservative admiration without actually doing anything. [1] https://www.reuters.com/business/foxconn-sharply-scales-back-wisconsin-investment-2021-04-20/ https://www.reuters.com/business/foxconn-sharply-scales-back... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/08/us/politics/trump-save-america-pac-subpoenas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/08/us/politics/trump-save-am...
- colinmhayes 4y agoBecause Trump got banned from twitter
- Sohcahtoa82 4y agoThe classic definition was basically the freedom to criticize your government without repercussions. Conservatives now define it as the permission to spread deliberate misinformation and overt racism and bigotry without consequences from either the government OR private entities.
- lotqrpa 4y ago> spread deliberate misinformation and overt racism and bigotry Which, in a world where anything you don't like or agree with must be one of those things, is kind of unavodiable.