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Wait why is the creator a dickbag?

lovich 4y ago
Every now and then he comes out against female software engineers. Last time was like a year or two ago. Part of his post history is up but it looks like his spiciest takes have been deleted and all that’s left are where he’s merely defending those making the claim that female software engineers are bad. IMO he’s not a good person https://old.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/o2ly6f/friday_facts_366_the_only_way_to_go_fast_is_to_go/h28beya/?context=3 https://old.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/o2ly6f/friday_fac...
- jimbob45 4y ago
  I'm not defending that women shouldn't be senior software engeneers, but if someone would defend that, it doesn't make him a bigot just because he proposes that and have some arguments, only if those arguments were debunked and the person wouldn't be willing to change his mind, then yes, it sounds like a bigot. But my feeling is, that this step is completely ignored in most of the cases. People are called bigots without any attempts at understanding the reasoning, it is the easy way...I'm not defending that women shouldn't be senior engeneers Which part are you taking issue with?
  - lovich 4y ago
    - jimbob45 4y ago
      What's the harm in relitigating issues though? Each new generation needs to rediscover why things are the way they are in the world. Withholding logic would disallow the new generation to be able to make an informed decision. For example, consider Pascal. Everyone these days says, "It's a dead language, don't use it - use C/++ instead. Go read Brian Kernighan's 'Why Pascal is not my favorite language' as to why". But then, if you have a serious debate about Kernighan's issues with the language, it turns out that his concerns are no longer valid in the modern world. If you were as vehemently opposed to the relitigation of Pascal as you seem to be with kovarex's views here, then we might miss conversational progress on this topic just as we did with Pascal.
      - lovich 4y ago
        He can relitigate it all he wants. I’m not calling for cancelling him. Several people in this thread seem to have taken my comment that I don’t want to continue giving the guy money for what a fantastic game, because I find him to be such an asshole as a personal attack on them and peoples ability to speak. On the note of relitigating whenever he wants however, he doesn’t get to do it in an ahistorical vacuum. These arguments have been made before and opinions have already formed. If wants to try and reargue them he’s starting from a state where that information is already present. Regardless, he’s not actually relitigating. He’s doing a motte and Bailey type argument where he’s saying a relatively defensive position that someone isn’t a bigot automatically for an opinion until it’s debunked, but it’s in defense of already debunked arguments. No one brought an actual new argument about the ability of women to do software engineering
- bena 4y ago
  Even outside of whatever views he may hold on women in development, just his general demeanor makes him seem like a dickhole.

Every now and then he comes out against female software engineers. Last time was like a year or two ago. Part of his post history is up but it looks like his spiciest takes have been deleted and all that’s left are where he’s merely defending those making the claim that female software engineers are bad. IMO he’s not a good person https://old.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/o2ly6f/friday_facts_366_the_only_way_to_go_fast_is_to_go/h28beya/?context=3 https://old.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/o2ly6f/friday_fac...

jimbob45 4y ago
I'm not defending that women shouldn't be senior software engeneers, but if someone would defend that, it doesn't make him a bigot just because he proposes that and have some arguments, only if those arguments were debunked and the person wouldn't be willing to change his mind, then yes, it sounds like a bigot. But my feeling is, that this step is completely ignored in most of the cases. People are called bigots without any attempts at understanding the reasoning, it is the easy way...I'm not defending that women shouldn't be senior engeneers Which part are you taking issue with?
- lovich 4y ago
  - jimbob45 4y ago
    What's the harm in relitigating issues though? Each new generation needs to rediscover why things are the way they are in the world. Withholding logic would disallow the new generation to be able to make an informed decision. For example, consider Pascal. Everyone these days says, "It's a dead language, don't use it - use C/++ instead. Go read Brian Kernighan's 'Why Pascal is not my favorite language' as to why". But then, if you have a serious debate about Kernighan's issues with the language, it turns out that his concerns are no longer valid in the modern world. If you were as vehemently opposed to the relitigation of Pascal as you seem to be with kovarex's views here, then we might miss conversational progress on this topic just as we did with Pascal.
    - lovich 4y ago
      He can relitigate it all he wants. I’m not calling for cancelling him. Several people in this thread seem to have taken my comment that I don’t want to continue giving the guy money for what a fantastic game, because I find him to be such an asshole as a personal attack on them and peoples ability to speak. On the note of relitigating whenever he wants however, he doesn’t get to do it in an ahistorical vacuum. These arguments have been made before and opinions have already formed. If wants to try and reargue them he’s starting from a state where that information is already present. Regardless, he’s not actually relitigating. He’s doing a motte and Bailey type argument where he’s saying a relatively defensive position that someone isn’t a bigot automatically for an opinion until it’s debunked, but it’s in defense of already debunked arguments. No one brought an actual new argument about the ability of women to do software engineering
bena 4y ago
Even outside of whatever views he may hold on women in development, just his general demeanor makes him seem like a dickhole.