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I mean, if you purposefully misgender a cis person on Twitter, the same rule applies. Not sure what your issue is

TexanFeller 4y ago
The obvious response is that that that shouldn't result in a ban either. There's a right not to be physically threatened, but there is and should not be no right to not be offended.
- illuminerdy 4y ago
  I agree. The marketplace of ideas and opinions should be protected to the greatest extent possible. Restrictions should be limited to things such as actual threats, doxxing of private information, and illegal content. Otherwise, allow people to use the block, mute, and unfollow buttons as they see fit as a form of personal moderation.
ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
"Cis" people dont care about being misgendered.
- xsmasher 4y ago
  - chudmeister 4y ago
- TexanFeller 4y ago
  Sure I’d hate it if you called me a TexanLady instead of a TexanFeller. But I will defend your right to call me names. Speech that offends someone doesn’t imply speech that shouldn’t be allowed.
  - runarberg 4y ago
    Even if that is true—and it isn’t—a platform is under no obligation allow it, and most don’t (including HN).
- Shared404 4y ago
  The prevalence of "Real men don't do $THING" would suggest you are incorrect.
- scoofy 4y ago
  I've been called a sissy on many an occasion. That is in fact, being misgendered, and I cared a lot when I was young. I no longer care about being mocked and I reject gender norms in general, but I'm just old enough to just realize a bully being an asshole is a tale as old as time. I realize though that it isn't always on option for people. This can be much more challenging if it's in the workplace, or when people are younger and social acceptance is more important. I think the trans movement would be helped massively if we just focused on that being anti-trans is just being bullying. The focus on edge-cases and ontology and essentialism of gender makes the debate much more muddy.
  - ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
    >I've been called a sissy on many an occasion. That's just an insult.
MichaelCollins 4y ago
Regardless of dictionary definitions, when judged by the tone and context of common use, "cis" is primarily a slur which is used to de-legitimize and insult the people it is directed at. Of the people who are ostensibly "cis", exceptionally few will choose to self-describe using that word. Kindly refrain from using it.
- Shared404 4y ago
  The only people who would have cis used to "delegitimize" them would be ones who are saying something innacurate about trans people and are being told that they do not have relevant frame of reference for that comment. Describing cis as a slur is... Wow.
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    Slurs are made by context, tone, and perception by the target. I have never been called "cis" except by people with antagonistic tones trying to get a rise out of me. Furthermore the overwhelming majority of the roughly two billion English speakers around the world who aren't trans do not self-describe as "cis". It's a slur.
    - Shared404 4y ago
      > I have never been called "cis" except by people with antagonistic tones trying to get a rise out of me. I can tell you from personal experience that this says more about you than the word. The majority of people in my circle would self describe as cis, and most people I interact with would self identify as cis if the meaning was explained to them.
      - ilyt 4y ago
        That's more about your social circle than everyone's elses tbh. On twitter I've almost exclusively used as mild derogative
      - Cameri 4y ago
chudmeister 4y ago

The obvious response is that that that shouldn't result in a ban either. There's a right not to be physically threatened, but there is and should not be no right to not be offended.

illuminerdy 4y ago
I agree. The marketplace of ideas and opinions should be protected to the greatest extent possible. Restrictions should be limited to things such as actual threats, doxxing of private information, and illegal content. Otherwise, allow people to use the block, mute, and unfollow buttons as they see fit as a form of personal moderation.

ThrowawayTestr 4y ago

"Cis" people dont care about being misgendered.

xsmasher 4y ago
- chudmeister 4y ago
TexanFeller 4y ago
Sure I’d hate it if you called me a TexanLady instead of a TexanFeller. But I will defend your right to call me names. Speech that offends someone doesn’t imply speech that shouldn’t be allowed.
- runarberg 4y ago
  Even if that is true—and it isn’t—a platform is under no obligation allow it, and most don’t (including HN).
Shared404 4y ago
The prevalence of "Real men don't do $THING" would suggest you are incorrect.
scoofy 4y ago
I've been called a sissy on many an occasion. That is in fact, being misgendered, and I cared a lot when I was young. I no longer care about being mocked and I reject gender norms in general, but I'm just old enough to just realize a bully being an asshole is a tale as old as time. I realize though that it isn't always on option for people. This can be much more challenging if it's in the workplace, or when people are younger and social acceptance is more important. I think the trans movement would be helped massively if we just focused on that being anti-trans is just being bullying. The focus on edge-cases and ontology and essentialism of gender makes the debate much more muddy.
- ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
  >I've been called a sissy on many an occasion. That's just an insult.

MichaelCollins 4y ago

Regardless of dictionary definitions, when judged by the tone and context of common use, "cis" is primarily a slur which is used to de-legitimize and insult the people it is directed at. Of the people who are ostensibly "cis", exceptionally few will choose to self-describe using that word. Kindly refrain from using it.

Shared404 4y ago
The only people who would have cis used to "delegitimize" them would be ones who are saying something innacurate about trans people and are being told that they do not have relevant frame of reference for that comment. Describing cis as a slur is... Wow.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  Slurs are made by context, tone, and perception by the target. I have never been called "cis" except by people with antagonistic tones trying to get a rise out of me. Furthermore the overwhelming majority of the roughly two billion English speakers around the world who aren't trans do not self-describe as "cis". It's a slur.
  - Shared404 4y ago
    > I have never been called "cis" except by people with antagonistic tones trying to get a rise out of me. I can tell you from personal experience that this says more about you than the word. The majority of people in my circle would self describe as cis, and most people I interact with would self identify as cis if the meaning was explained to them.
    - ilyt 4y ago
      That's more about your social circle than everyone's elses tbh. On twitter I've almost exclusively used as mild derogative
    - Cameri 4y ago

chudmeister 4y ago