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If Babylon Bee makes a joke about trans people how is that removing trans voices from the platform? If making a joke about a group is the same as encouraging vi

If Babylon Bee makes a joke about trans people how is that removing trans voices from the platform? If making a joke about a group is the same as encouraging violence or whatever then you can't make any jokes about people.

socialismisok 4y ago
Why would I stay on a platform that lets people berate me? Independent of what my identity is? It's just a shitty experience.
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  If you think trans people shouldn't be allowed to be berated online then why not ban berating of Trump or whites? Why should their experience on Twitter be a "shitty experience"? Regardless, you didn't answer my question: "If Babylon Bee makes a joke about trans people how is that removing trans voices from the platform?" People voluntarily leaving is not removing voices.
  - socialismisok 4y ago
    > People voluntarily leaving is not removing voices. This is naive. If a Klan bar doesn't literally throw out Black people, they still are preventing Black people from being there by making the environment so unpleasant they cannot remain.
    - hackeraccount 4y ago
      Doesn't this make it a race to see how everyone can be like the peasants in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. "Help Help I'm being oppressed! Come see the violence inherent in the system!"
      - socialismisok 4y ago
        You understand that the joke there was that the peasants were being oppressed, and the king was totally blind to it, right?
    - _-david-_ 4y ago
      You could make that argument about any group that has a large amount of critics. Congress, for example, has an approval rating under that of trans people. I propose Twitter bans anybody who "berates" a politician. If we don't do that then Twitter is allowing the environment to be too unpleasant for one the most marginalized groups out there. Why would my plan be bad, but yours good? Just because there is an environment that is too unpleasant for some people to remain in, doesn't mean that environment should change to conform to the wants of that person. People who are sensitive to sound can't go to some loud bar and demand everybody stop making noise. (Well they could demand it, but nobody will care). The bar isn't forcing the person to leave by not lowering the volume.
      - socialismisok 4y ago
        Partly due to power imbalance. Congresspeople are not typically subject to routine violence just because they are congresspeople. They aren't typically dealing with a healthcare system that is actively hostile to them. They don't have high levels of homelessness, abuse, and suicide. Additionally, congresspeople are public figures - being satirized is part of the social contract when you become a public figure. And congresspeople have power. Lots of power. Saying that an average congressperson and an average trans person are equal is just not true. If you pulled out another minority group with little power, your rule might be more agreeable.
        xigoi 4y ago
        > Congresspeople are not typically subject to routine violence just because they are congresspeople. …why do you think politicians have bodyguards? > They aren't typically dealing with a healthcare system that is actively hostile to them. Not doing unnecessary cosmetic surgery is not “actively hostile”.
        Shared404 4y ago
        A) It's not just surgery, there's the difficulty in getting HRT. B) For some trans people, the surgery is necessary from a quality of life perspective and a reduction of dysphoria. C) It varies by country. In the US, the medical system is actively hostile to everyone (but especially trans people). In the UK, the requirements to just get HRT as a legal adult are insane.

socialismisok 4y ago

Why would I stay on a platform that lets people berate me? Independent of what my identity is? It's just a shitty experience.

_-david-_ 4y ago
If you think trans people shouldn't be allowed to be berated online then why not ban berating of Trump or whites? Why should their experience on Twitter be a "shitty experience"? Regardless, you didn't answer my question: "If Babylon Bee makes a joke about trans people how is that removing trans voices from the platform?" People voluntarily leaving is not removing voices.
- socialismisok 4y ago
  > People voluntarily leaving is not removing voices. This is naive. If a Klan bar doesn't literally throw out Black people, they still are preventing Black people from being there by making the environment so unpleasant they cannot remain.
  - hackeraccount 4y ago
    Doesn't this make it a race to see how everyone can be like the peasants in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. "Help Help I'm being oppressed! Come see the violence inherent in the system!"
    - socialismisok 4y ago
      You understand that the joke there was that the peasants were being oppressed, and the king was totally blind to it, right?
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    You could make that argument about any group that has a large amount of critics. Congress, for example, has an approval rating under that of trans people. I propose Twitter bans anybody who "berates" a politician. If we don't do that then Twitter is allowing the environment to be too unpleasant for one the most marginalized groups out there. Why would my plan be bad, but yours good? Just because there is an environment that is too unpleasant for some people to remain in, doesn't mean that environment should change to conform to the wants of that person. People who are sensitive to sound can't go to some loud bar and demand everybody stop making noise. (Well they could demand it, but nobody will care). The bar isn't forcing the person to leave by not lowering the volume.
    - socialismisok 4y ago
      Partly due to power imbalance. Congresspeople are not typically subject to routine violence just because they are congresspeople. They aren't typically dealing with a healthcare system that is actively hostile to them. They don't have high levels of homelessness, abuse, and suicide. Additionally, congresspeople are public figures - being satirized is part of the social contract when you become a public figure. And congresspeople have power. Lots of power. Saying that an average congressperson and an average trans person are equal is just not true. If you pulled out another minority group with little power, your rule might be more agreeable.
      - xigoi 4y ago
        > Congresspeople are not typically subject to routine violence just because they are congresspeople. …why do you think politicians have bodyguards? > They aren't typically dealing with a healthcare system that is actively hostile to them. Not doing unnecessary cosmetic surgery is not “actively hostile”.
        Shared404 4y ago
        A) It's not just surgery, there's the difficulty in getting HRT. B) For some trans people, the surgery is necessary from a quality of life perspective and a reduction of dysphoria. C) It varies by country. In the US, the medical system is actively hostile to everyone (but especially trans people). In the UK, the requirements to just get HRT as a legal adult are insane.