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> The 'mis-gendering' in this case was absolutely truthful in a scientific sense, Except: A) Gender != biological sex. B) Even biological sex has a lot more

> The 'mis-gendering' in this case was absolutely truthful in a scientific sense, Except: A) Gender != biological sex. B) Even biological sex has a lot more shades of grey C) Even if the Bee were referring to biological sex, it would be Male/Female of the year, not Man/Woman. D) It's the Bee. Everyone knows the intent.

xigoi 4y ago
> A) Gender != biological sex. What makes you thing they weren't talking about biological sex? > B) Even biological sex has a lot more shades of grey Which are not applicable in this case, since the sex of the individial in question is inambiguous. C) Even if the Bee were referring to biological sex, it would be Male/Female of the year, not Man/Woman. A man is defined as an adult male. > D) It's the Bee. Everyone knows the intent. Yes, the intent of satire is to make fun of absurd situations.
- socialismisok 4y ago
  Language is moving towards a disambiguation between male (as a kerotype or body plan) and man (as a social concept of what it is to be 'manly' in that society.) This evolution of language has been very rapid in some circles, and slow in others, but everyone uses it to some degree. For example, when people say, "Be a man!" Or "man up!", they aren't saying, "show your adult male body". They are saying, "meet our standards for what a man in our culture is!" Mulan's famous song, "I'll make a man out of you" has nothing to do with chromosomes or penises. It has everything to do with the social side of the term "man". So at the very least, the word man is ambiguous and could mean adult male or it could mean someone who is manly in behavior.
  - xigoi 4y ago
    > Language is moving towards a disambiguation between male (as a kerotype or body plan) and man (as a social concept of what it is to be 'manly' in that society.) No, some people are artificially trying to create this distinction. In normal speech, “man” and “male” are pretty much interchangeable. > For example, when people say, "Be a man!" Or "man up!", they aren't saying, "show your adult male body". They're saying “show properties that are traditionally associated with males”. These stereotypes have to place in modern society and I find it appalling that the people who claim to want equality are continuing to perpetuate them.
- Shared404 4y ago
  > What makes you thing they weren't talking about biological sex? Biological sex is unrelated to the topic at hand, unless of course they were working on some genetics homework, or working on a eugenics project I suppose. > Which are not applicable in this case, since the sex of the individial in question is inambiguous. Is it - where do you draw the line? If it's production of gametes, what if she doesn't? If it's hormonal balance, she's now biologicaly female. If it's presence/absence of a penis/vagina, she could have either. If it's X/Y chromosomes, she could be XY, XXY, XX[0], or chimeric. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome More importantly, in what way does her biological sex impact her public influence? I certainly hope her chromosomes or genetalia have little to no impact on her public life. > A man is defined as an adult male. From Trans Man in Webster: Definition of trans man : a transgender man : a man who was identified as female at birth Making it acceptable per webster to use singular man/woman for a trans individual. > Yes, the intent of satire is to make fun of absurd situations. That's The Onion. The Bee is propaganda wrapped up in "it's just a joke bro". The Onion punches both ways, the Bee doesn't.
  - hgdfhgdfhgdfhgf 4y ago
    Satire only counts if you make fun of both sides? Is Stephen Colbert a propagandist too?
    - Shared404 4y ago
      From the guidelines: > Throwaway accounts are ok for sensitive information, but please don't create accounts routinely. HN is a community—users should have an identity that others can relate to. I'm on main and will be willing to continue this discussion when you or someone else comes back with yours/theirs. E: And if you or someone else _isn't_ willing to come back and attache their name to that statement, I guess you understand the point.
  - xigoi 4y ago
    > Biological sex is unrelated to the topic at hand So is hormonal balance or whatever you use for defining gender. Why do we care about gender at all? > Is it - where do you draw the line? When a person's body has all typical characteristics of a specific sex, then it's unambiguously that sex. Otherwise, they can rightfully identify as intersex, but that has nothing to do with transgenderism, where the body is unambiguous and only the mind seems to differ (and that's only considering people with gender dysphoria, aka “truscum”, and not those that are doing it for other reasons). > From Trans Man in Webster: Definition of trans man : a transgender man : a man who was identified as female at birth If politically motivated people create a dictionary entry, then it agrees with them. What a surprise. The word “assigned” is nonsense. The doctor doesn't flip a coin to determine the sex. The sex is observed. > The Onion punches both ways, the Bee doesn't. The Bee makes fun of conservatives too quite often.

xigoi 4y ago

> A) Gender != biological sex. What makes you thing they weren't talking about biological sex? > B) Even biological sex has a lot more shades of grey Which are not applicable in this case, since the sex of the individial in question is inambiguous. C) Even if the Bee were referring to biological sex, it would be Male/Female of the year, not Man/Woman. A man is defined as an adult male. > D) It's the Bee. Everyone knows the intent. Yes, the intent of satire is to make fun of absurd situations.

socialismisok 4y ago
Language is moving towards a disambiguation between male (as a kerotype or body plan) and man (as a social concept of what it is to be 'manly' in that society.) This evolution of language has been very rapid in some circles, and slow in others, but everyone uses it to some degree. For example, when people say, "Be a man!" Or "man up!", they aren't saying, "show your adult male body". They are saying, "meet our standards for what a man in our culture is!" Mulan's famous song, "I'll make a man out of you" has nothing to do with chromosomes or penises. It has everything to do with the social side of the term "man". So at the very least, the word man is ambiguous and could mean adult male or it could mean someone who is manly in behavior.
- xigoi 4y ago
  > Language is moving towards a disambiguation between male (as a kerotype or body plan) and man (as a social concept of what it is to be 'manly' in that society.) No, some people are artificially trying to create this distinction. In normal speech, “man” and “male” are pretty much interchangeable. > For example, when people say, "Be a man!" Or "man up!", they aren't saying, "show your adult male body". They're saying “show properties that are traditionally associated with males”. These stereotypes have to place in modern society and I find it appalling that the people who claim to want equality are continuing to perpetuate them.
Shared404 4y ago
> What makes you thing they weren't talking about biological sex? Biological sex is unrelated to the topic at hand, unless of course they were working on some genetics homework, or working on a eugenics project I suppose. > Which are not applicable in this case, since the sex of the individial in question is inambiguous. Is it - where do you draw the line? If it's production of gametes, what if she doesn't? If it's hormonal balance, she's now biologicaly female. If it's presence/absence of a penis/vagina, she could have either. If it's X/Y chromosomes, she could be XY, XXY, XX[0], or chimeric. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome More importantly, in what way does her biological sex impact her public influence? I certainly hope her chromosomes or genetalia have little to no impact on her public life. > A man is defined as an adult male. From Trans Man in Webster: Definition of trans man : a transgender man : a man who was identified as female at birth Making it acceptable per webster to use singular man/woman for a trans individual. > Yes, the intent of satire is to make fun of absurd situations. That's The Onion. The Bee is propaganda wrapped up in "it's just a joke bro". The Onion punches both ways, the Bee doesn't.
- hgdfhgdfhgdfhgf 4y ago
  Satire only counts if you make fun of both sides? Is Stephen Colbert a propagandist too?
  - Shared404 4y ago
    From the guidelines: > Throwaway accounts are ok for sensitive information, but please don't create accounts routinely. HN is a community—users should have an identity that others can relate to. I'm on main and will be willing to continue this discussion when you or someone else comes back with yours/theirs. E: And if you or someone else _isn't_ willing to come back and attache their name to that statement, I guess you understand the point.
- xigoi 4y ago
  > Biological sex is unrelated to the topic at hand So is hormonal balance or whatever you use for defining gender. Why do we care about gender at all? > Is it - where do you draw the line? When a person's body has all typical characteristics of a specific sex, then it's unambiguously that sex. Otherwise, they can rightfully identify as intersex, but that has nothing to do with transgenderism, where the body is unambiguous and only the mind seems to differ (and that's only considering people with gender dysphoria, aka “truscum”, and not those that are doing it for other reasons). > From Trans Man in Webster: Definition of trans man : a transgender man : a man who was identified as female at birth If politically motivated people create a dictionary entry, then it agrees with them. What a surprise. The word “assigned” is nonsense. The doctor doesn't flip a coin to determine the sex. The sex is observed. > The Onion punches both ways, the Bee doesn't. The Bee makes fun of conservatives too quite often.