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I guess it depends on which side you believe is more toxic. It's strange you would take the side that limiting bigotry, racism, homophobia, and transphobia is

I guess it depends on which side you believe is more toxic. It's strange you would take the side that limiting bigotry, racism, homophobia, and transphobia is what creates toxicity.

bakugo 4y ago
Stopping people from stating facts and forcing them to respect the emperor's new clothes by force creates toxicity, yes.
- socialismisok 4y ago
  Which facts, specifically. Please go on the record.
  - bakugo 4y ago
    Nice try! I assume you're a distraught twitter user because this feels like an exchange that would happen there.
    - socialismisok 4y ago
      So you are unwilling to say what, specifically, you believe in and instead prefer to gesture vaguely. And nope, I'm not a Twitter user. I was, until about 4 years ago. Not a Facebook user either. I was, until about a decade ago. I don't think either are particularly healthy places.
  - Nicksil 4y ago
    >Which facts, specifically. Please go on the record. This is incitement.
    - socialismisok 4y ago
      LOL. Incitement of "to have a discussion we need concrete opinions".
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
  > stating facts And exactly what facts are you stating? Usually when people complain that they're not allowed to just "state facts", it's statistics being used to justify racism. And of course, most of the time, those statistics are highly misleading.
mensetmanusman 4y ago
The issues is who gets to define what is phobia. Anything you say can be misconstrued as a phobia somewhere in the world.
monkmartinez 4y ago
Except both sides say the same things in different ways. The side that limits bigotry, racism, homophobia, and transphobia (as you say)... explicitly promotes bigotry against ideas they don't hold dear (alt-right, etc), racial prejudice, glorification of transgender and homosexual values. I don't care what you practice, just don't shove it in my face and tell me to love it.
- facedpython 4y ago
- the_only_law 4y ago
  > I don't care what you practice, just don't shove it in my face and tell me to love it. Then you better do the damn same.
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
  > explicitly promotes bigotry against ideas they don't hold dear (alt-right, etc) The alt-right is specifically a hate group. They're defined by their racism and bigotry. This is a prime example of "you want to censor us because you disagree" being claimed in bad faith. You're familiar with the Paradox of Tolerance, right? There's no way you're not, it gets brought up in every thread that talks about censorship. > I don't care what you practice, just don't shove it in my face and tell me to love it. Nobody is trying to tell you to love it. What they ARE doing is trying to get homophobes and transphobes to stop accusing them of being groomers. Stop treating them like degenerates. Stop trying to restrict their rights. Stop trying to allow discrimination against LGBT. They don't want you to LOVE it, they want you to merely ACCEPT it.
  - Gartent 4y ago
    Regarding Paradox of Intolerance: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#What_Popper_actually_said https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#What_Popp... See section "misuse"
    - 4y ago

I guess it depends on which side you believe is more toxic. It's strange you would take the side that limiting bigotry, racism, homophobia, and transphobia is what creates toxicity.

bakugo 4y ago

Stopping people from stating facts and forcing them to respect the emperor's new clothes by force creates toxicity, yes.

socialismisok 4y ago
Which facts, specifically. Please go on the record.
- bakugo 4y ago
  Nice try! I assume you're a distraught twitter user because this feels like an exchange that would happen there.
  - socialismisok 4y ago
    So you are unwilling to say what, specifically, you believe in and instead prefer to gesture vaguely. And nope, I'm not a Twitter user. I was, until about 4 years ago. Not a Facebook user either. I was, until about a decade ago. I don't think either are particularly healthy places.
- Nicksil 4y ago
  >Which facts, specifically. Please go on the record. This is incitement.
  - socialismisok 4y ago
    LOL. Incitement of "to have a discussion we need concrete opinions".
Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
> stating facts And exactly what facts are you stating? Usually when people complain that they're not allowed to just "state facts", it's statistics being used to justify racism. And of course, most of the time, those statistics are highly misleading.

mensetmanusman 4y ago

The issues is who gets to define what is phobia. Anything you say can be misconstrued as a phobia somewhere in the world.

monkmartinez 4y ago

Except both sides say the same things in different ways. The side that limits bigotry, racism, homophobia, and transphobia (as you say)... explicitly promotes bigotry against ideas they don't hold dear (alt-right, etc), racial prejudice, glorification of transgender and homosexual values. I don't care what you practice, just don't shove it in my face and tell me to love it.

facedpython 4y ago
the_only_law 4y ago
> I don't care what you practice, just don't shove it in my face and tell me to love it. Then you better do the damn same.
Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
> explicitly promotes bigotry against ideas they don't hold dear (alt-right, etc) The alt-right is specifically a hate group. They're defined by their racism and bigotry. This is a prime example of "you want to censor us because you disagree" being claimed in bad faith. You're familiar with the Paradox of Tolerance, right? There's no way you're not, it gets brought up in every thread that talks about censorship. > I don't care what you practice, just don't shove it in my face and tell me to love it. Nobody is trying to tell you to love it. What they ARE doing is trying to get homophobes and transphobes to stop accusing them of being groomers. Stop treating them like degenerates. Stop trying to restrict their rights. Stop trying to allow discrimination against LGBT. They don't want you to LOVE it, they want you to merely ACCEPT it.
- Gartent 4y ago
  Regarding Paradox of Intolerance: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#What_Popper_actually_said https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#What_Popp... See section "misuse"
  - 4y ago