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They should be able to joke about anything. There are no sacred cows. If someone doesn’t like their humor then don’t read it. Don’t follow them.

ncallaway 4y ago
They are allowed to joke about anything. They just aren't allowed to joke about anything anywhere. If Twitter doesn't want them to make those kinds of jokes on their platform, Twitter is free to tell them they can't make those jokes there. That doesn't stop the Babylon Bee from making those jokes. And, if Twitter has changed their mind, Twitter is free to tell them that they can now make those jokes on the platform. This is how the marketplace of ideas works. Twitter is a participant in that marketplace. If you want to say things on their platform, you have to follow their rules.
- 5560675260 4y ago
  Twitter is free to set up their moderation policy as it sees fit, but at the same time public is free to criticise Twitter for said moderation policy and the way it's applied. The fact that they can ban Bablylon Bee (under current law) doesn't mean that everyone should just shrug and accept it.
  - ncallaway 4y ago
    > but at the same time public is free to criticise Twitter for said moderation policy and the way it's applied I certainly never argued that the public should not be allowed to criticize Twitter.
    - xigoi 4y ago
      > If you want to say things on their platform, you have to follow their rules. This implies that rules set up by social media sihes are sacred and shôldn't be questioned.
      - ncallaway 4y ago
        > > If you want to say things on their platform, you have to follow their rules. > This implies that rules set up by social media sites are sacred and shouldn't be questioned. It simply does not imply that.
thedorkknight 4y ago
Then they shouldn't have agreed to not joke about that stuff in the first place
- nemo44x 4y ago
  Where in the terms does it say you can't make this joke? The enforcement of these things have been completely arbitrary.
  - thedorkknight 4y ago
    https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/hateful-conduct-policy https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/hateful-condu... Key part being the last sentence here: "We prohibit targeting others with repeated slurs, tropes or other content that intends to dehumanize, degrade or reinforce negative or harmful stereotypes about a protected category. This includes targeted misgendering or deadnaming of transgender individuals." Perhaps Twitter does arbitrarily enforce punishment for intentional misgendering. Doesn't change the fact that Babylon Bee shouldn't agree to those terms in the first place if they have no plan on adhering to them.
    - nemo44x 4y ago
      It’s satire. They aren’t harassing anyone, they’re making a joke about a public person. It’s a joke and it’s completely different than “targeted misgendering”.
      - thedorkknight 4y ago
        It's satire that's making fun of transgenderism. It would only work as satire that isn't intentionally misgendering if it was mocking conservatism's refusal to accept someone's gender. Which is absolutely not what they're doing
        nemo44x 4y ago
        You’re confusing aesthetics and taste with harassment and targeted misgendering.
facedpython 4y ago
If you don't like Twitter prohibiting transphobia, don't use Twitter?

ncallaway 4y ago

They are allowed to joke about anything. They just aren't allowed to joke about anything anywhere. If Twitter doesn't want them to make those kinds of jokes on their platform, Twitter is free to tell them they can't make those jokes there. That doesn't stop the Babylon Bee from making those jokes. And, if Twitter has changed their mind, Twitter is free to tell them that they can now make those jokes on the platform. This is how the marketplace of ideas works. Twitter is a participant in that marketplace. If you want to say things on their platform, you have to follow their rules.

5560675260 4y ago
Twitter is free to set up their moderation policy as it sees fit, but at the same time public is free to criticise Twitter for said moderation policy and the way it's applied. The fact that they can ban Bablylon Bee (under current law) doesn't mean that everyone should just shrug and accept it.
- ncallaway 4y ago
  > but at the same time public is free to criticise Twitter for said moderation policy and the way it's applied I certainly never argued that the public should not be allowed to criticize Twitter.
  - xigoi 4y ago
    > If you want to say things on their platform, you have to follow their rules. This implies that rules set up by social media sihes are sacred and shôldn't be questioned.
    - ncallaway 4y ago
      > > If you want to say things on their platform, you have to follow their rules. > This implies that rules set up by social media sites are sacred and shouldn't be questioned. It simply does not imply that.

thedorkknight 4y ago

Then they shouldn't have agreed to not joke about that stuff in the first place

nemo44x 4y ago
Where in the terms does it say you can't make this joke? The enforcement of these things have been completely arbitrary.
- thedorkknight 4y ago
  https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/hateful-conduct-policy https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/hateful-condu... Key part being the last sentence here: "We prohibit targeting others with repeated slurs, tropes or other content that intends to dehumanize, degrade or reinforce negative or harmful stereotypes about a protected category. This includes targeted misgendering or deadnaming of transgender individuals." Perhaps Twitter does arbitrarily enforce punishment for intentional misgendering. Doesn't change the fact that Babylon Bee shouldn't agree to those terms in the first place if they have no plan on adhering to them.
  - nemo44x 4y ago
    It’s satire. They aren’t harassing anyone, they’re making a joke about a public person. It’s a joke and it’s completely different than “targeted misgendering”.
    - thedorkknight 4y ago
      It's satire that's making fun of transgenderism. It would only work as satire that isn't intentionally misgendering if it was mocking conservatism's refusal to accept someone's gender. Which is absolutely not what they're doing
      - nemo44x 4y ago
        You’re confusing aesthetics and taste with harassment and targeted misgendering.

facedpython 4y ago

If you don't like Twitter prohibiting transphobia, don't use Twitter?