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Why is it "his personal ideology" when he's one in charge, but simply "twitter's rules" when the previous CEOs were in charge?

sascha_sl 4y ago
Because Twitter policy wasn't informed by a single person until now.
- _aavaa_ 4y ago
  Alright, the why is it not "group ideology"?
  - sascha_sl 4y ago
    This is senseless. You can just keep moving the goalpost. If I gave you arguments based on sociological consensus you'd just declare sociology woke groupthink too.
    - _aavaa_ 4y ago
      I have not moved the goal post. My objection in the original comment was that the discussion was framed in terms of musks' ideology vs the current non-ideology status quo. It wasn't Musk's beliefs, or world view, or political leaning, but his ideology. The only reason its framed this way is since the comment I originally replied to disagrees with Musk. If he was coming in and doubling down on Twitter's choices it would suddenly stop being ideology.
socialismisok 4y ago
Because there are differences in how the rules were created. Presumably previous rules involved policy teams and moderation teams and legal teams. Elon rolling in and being like, "Unban these people even though they've broken the rules" is clearly a different mode.
- _aavaa_ 4y ago
  > Presumably previous rules involved policy teams and moderation teams and legal teams. Presumably is doing some heavily lifting here. But either way, my point stands why isn't it "group ideology". Simply because it was made by committee doesn't change the connotation used. If someone opposed to Musk's views later takes control of twitter and restores everything to the current status quo, will that also be done using "personaly ideology"?
  - socialismisok 4y ago
    Yes, of course it will. Plenty of historical events have a group setting the initial culture or laws, then a dictator comes in and changes them. If another dictator comes in later and reverses them, that second person is still a dictator. If Elon sells to, I dunno, Zizek, and sudden changes occur, of course I'd say the new leftist leaders were enforcing their personal ideology. Is it so hard to believe that someone can be a leftist and not also critical of the left? A dictator is a dictator, and it's bad, no matter their ideology.
    - pessimizer 4y ago
      > A dictator is a dictator, and it's bad, no matter their ideology. Musk is a dictator now? Why does everybody have to be the next Hitler?
      - socialismisok 4y ago
        No one said he was. Not all dictators are Hitler. But they are still dictators. My friends, engineers at Twitter, are saying they received demands they work overnight to deliver features and changes last night. He's absolutely a dictator within Twitter.

sascha_sl 4y ago

Because Twitter policy wasn't informed by a single person until now.

_aavaa_ 4y ago
Alright, the why is it not "group ideology"?
- sascha_sl 4y ago
  This is senseless. You can just keep moving the goalpost. If I gave you arguments based on sociological consensus you'd just declare sociology woke groupthink too.
  - _aavaa_ 4y ago
    I have not moved the goal post. My objection in the original comment was that the discussion was framed in terms of musks' ideology vs the current non-ideology status quo. It wasn't Musk's beliefs, or world view, or political leaning, but his ideology. The only reason its framed this way is since the comment I originally replied to disagrees with Musk. If he was coming in and doubling down on Twitter's choices it would suddenly stop being ideology.

socialismisok 4y ago

Because there are differences in how the rules were created. Presumably previous rules involved policy teams and moderation teams and legal teams. Elon rolling in and being like, "Unban these people even though they've broken the rules" is clearly a different mode.

_aavaa_ 4y ago
> Presumably previous rules involved policy teams and moderation teams and legal teams. Presumably is doing some heavily lifting here. But either way, my point stands why isn't it "group ideology". Simply because it was made by committee doesn't change the connotation used. If someone opposed to Musk's views later takes control of twitter and restores everything to the current status quo, will that also be done using "personaly ideology"?
- socialismisok 4y ago
  Yes, of course it will. Plenty of historical events have a group setting the initial culture or laws, then a dictator comes in and changes them. If another dictator comes in later and reverses them, that second person is still a dictator. If Elon sells to, I dunno, Zizek, and sudden changes occur, of course I'd say the new leftist leaders were enforcing their personal ideology. Is it so hard to believe that someone can be a leftist and not also critical of the left? A dictator is a dictator, and it's bad, no matter their ideology.
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    > A dictator is a dictator, and it's bad, no matter their ideology. Musk is a dictator now? Why does everybody have to be the next Hitler?
    - socialismisok 4y ago
      No one said he was. Not all dictators are Hitler. But they are still dictators. My friends, engineers at Twitter, are saying they received demands they work overnight to deliver features and changes last night. He's absolutely a dictator within Twitter.