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Elton John was notable as Reginald Kenneth Dwight?
by listenallyall 4y ago
Elton John was notable as Reginald Kenneth Dwight?
- aidenn0 4y agoThe notability requirement is specifically for transgender and non-binary individuals.
- lynndotpy 4y agoThis is not true either. The "Presumption in favor of privacy" section, especially the "Privacy of names" part might interest you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Presumption_in_favor_of_privacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_livin...
- aidenn0 4y agoThere's two separate concerns: 1. Privacy of names in general 2. Treatment of people who have changed their names. For #2 there is a specific rule dealing with deadnaming: > If a living transgender or non-binary person was not notable under a former name (a deadname), it should not be included in any page (including lists, redirects, disambiguation pages, category names, templates, etc.), even in quotations, even if reliable sourcing exists. Treat the pre-notability name as a privacy interest separate from (and often greater than) the person's current name.
- lynndotpy 4y agoAh yes, I think I misunderstood what you meant by the notability requirement. AFAIK there are no cis people with pre-notability name changes covered under the privacy interest guidelines.
- listenallyall 4y agoIsn't that, itself, bias? Why wouldn't Muhammad Ali receive the same consideration, given that he considered his birth name representative of racial oppression?
- aidenn0 4y ago1. Ali specifically is moot since he won an Olympic Gold Medal (and his first professional world championship) under his birth name. 2. If calling black Muslims by their birth names were currently used as a way of signalling racism, then I suspect WP would adopt a policy for that as well.
- listenallyall 4y agoAs has been noted, Admiral Levine had significant accomplishments under her birth name. The point is, Ali isn't even granted the possiblity of having his birth name unexposed, because ONLY transgender and non-binary individuals are eligible for non-exposure.
- zimpenfish 4y agoHis career started in 1962 as RD and he legally changed his name to EJ in 1972. I think 10 years of being a reasonably famous musician under a name is notable, no?
- listenallyall 4y agoBy that logic, this is a rather impressive and notable CV, the majority of which was pre-transition: https://www.hhs.gov/about/leadership/rachel-levine.html https://www.hhs.gov/about/leadership/rachel-levine.html ADM Levine was a Professor of Pediatrics and Psychiatry at the Penn State College of Medicine. Her previous posts included: Vice-Chair for Clinical Affairs for the Department of Pediatrics, and Chief of the Division of Adolescent Medicine and Eating Disorders at the Penn State Hershey Medical Center.