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Yah, its cool, but as mentioned in the pi thread, there are a pile of these jasper lake nuc's available via large retailers for $100-200, some better some worse

Yah, its cool, but as mentioned in the pi thread, there are a pile of these jasper lake nuc's available via large retailers for $100-200, some better some worse, but in most cases they come with ram, storage, case and powersupply for those prices. for example, search for beelink.

capableweb 4y ago
Do those come with two ethernet ports, two DDR4 slots (up to 64GB), eMMC, M.2 and two SATA ports? For me, this almost looks like an instant buy.
- katmannthree 4y ago
  Generally not all of those. They do come with a case, active cooling, ~~far better graphics performance, and fewer software headaches due to being amd64 instead of aarch64 though~~ nevermind, forgot that this is jasper lake too.
  - capableweb 4y ago
    Adding the H3+, power supply, fan and case to the cart reveals a total of ~180 USD, that's a pretty good price for what you get. I agree that the graphics might not be the best in class, but it's also not the worst. Overall I feel like it's a pretty neat price.
    - BackBlast 4y ago
      The iGPU on Jasper Lake CPUs is actually pretty good, particularly for the price. Much more potent than previous iterations of this class of CPU.
- devonkim 4y ago
  Not just gigabit or 100 mbit Ethernet ports either but 2.5 gbps and Realtek at that (ironically people have been complaining more about Intel NICs than Realtek recently but that’s anecdotal still IMO). There’s also other factors like GPIO pins as well. This is a board better suited for relatively higher performance and power efficient embedded projects by far than what most OEMs will produce.
  - cptskippy 4y ago
    Anecdotally I just upgraded my Server with hand-me-downs from my Desktop including a main board with integrated Intel NIC. I couldn't get the NIC to work on Ubuntu or Windows Server 2019. I will see if I can dig up the part number but iircc Intel just stopped supporting quite a few product lines including a line of NICs for integration into main boards. So perhaps that's where all the reports are coming from? I was surprised because I assumed the NIC would just work because it was Intel. * It's an Intel I219-V chip
  - toast0 4y ago
    > ironically people have been complaining more about Intel NICs than Realtek recently but that’s anecdotal still IMO I'm not sure if Realtek is getting better, I've heard a lot of issues with Intel 2.5G nics; people say some revs of the hardware are unusable at 2.5G (but do work fine at 1G). Personally, I've only got good things to say about Intel 1 and 10G nics I've worked with. For me, Realtek 1G works ok until it doesn't, it's possible to overwelm the hardware with traffic and then you get bad behavior --- queues get stuck or seem to get stuck and the queue processing doesn't always fully reset when you tell it to --- this can lead to wild writes, following descriptors that the OS thought were dead. Sometimes better results with Realtek's drivers than open source drivers, but they frob the hardware with crypticly named defines, and I've seen them send pause frames (which nobody wants) with no way to disable. On one machine, using Realtek's drivers results in immediate kernel panics, so it's not universally great. The interrupt design is poor anyway --- MSI-X dates from 2002, they could have used a separate irq for rx, tx, and misc, rather than a single interrupt and a status register. But that might be ok if the status register worked properly. It's too easy to have timing issues when poking the status register and then you don't get interrupts you should. I haven't touched their 2.5g hardware, hopefully they fixed some stuff.
Semaphor 4y ago
Search where? Because I can only find them for 350€+
- StillBored 4y ago
  The top of the pi thread has this one: (16G ram, dual nic, 512G ssd) for $190 right now. https://www.amazon.com/Processor-Beelink-Computer-Support-Display/dp/B0B7RT33ZX/ref=sr_1_2_sspa https://www.amazon.com/Processor-Beelink-Computer-Support-Di... If you lower the ram/ssd you can find them for $120 or so, some also have the dual 2.5G adapters, and as the link up thread shows its possible for ~200 to even get them with 4+ 2.5G links. Granted a lot of these are "deals" rather than MSRP, but right now the "deals" seem to be the normal state of affairs, although it was mentioned that they have been slightly cheaper in the past couple weeks.
  - Semaphor 4y ago
    I guess those sales are US only, prices here in Germany are far higher.
  - Narishma 4y ago
    It says $279 for the one you linked.
sliken 4y ago
Indeed, there's a family of them with the N4000, N5000, N6000 families and even the i3/i5/i7 with 4-6 2.5G ports. There's a fair number at: https://www.servethehome.com/category/networking/ https://www.servethehome.com/category/networking/

capableweb 4y ago

Do those come with two ethernet ports, two DDR4 slots (up to 64GB), eMMC, M.2 and two SATA ports? For me, this almost looks like an instant buy.

katmannthree 4y ago
Generally not all of those. They do come with a case, active cooling, ~~far better graphics performance, and fewer software headaches due to being amd64 instead of aarch64 though~~ nevermind, forgot that this is jasper lake too.
- capableweb 4y ago
  Adding the H3+, power supply, fan and case to the cart reveals a total of ~180 USD, that's a pretty good price for what you get. I agree that the graphics might not be the best in class, but it's also not the worst. Overall I feel like it's a pretty neat price.
  - BackBlast 4y ago
    The iGPU on Jasper Lake CPUs is actually pretty good, particularly for the price. Much more potent than previous iterations of this class of CPU.
devonkim 4y ago
Not just gigabit or 100 mbit Ethernet ports either but 2.5 gbps and Realtek at that (ironically people have been complaining more about Intel NICs than Realtek recently but that’s anecdotal still IMO). There’s also other factors like GPIO pins as well. This is a board better suited for relatively higher performance and power efficient embedded projects by far than what most OEMs will produce.
- cptskippy 4y ago
  Anecdotally I just upgraded my Server with hand-me-downs from my Desktop including a main board with integrated Intel NIC. I couldn't get the NIC to work on Ubuntu or Windows Server 2019. I will see if I can dig up the part number but iircc Intel just stopped supporting quite a few product lines including a line of NICs for integration into main boards. So perhaps that's where all the reports are coming from? I was surprised because I assumed the NIC would just work because it was Intel. * It's an Intel I219-V chip
- toast0 4y ago
  > ironically people have been complaining more about Intel NICs than Realtek recently but that’s anecdotal still IMO I'm not sure if Realtek is getting better, I've heard a lot of issues with Intel 2.5G nics; people say some revs of the hardware are unusable at 2.5G (but do work fine at 1G). Personally, I've only got good things to say about Intel 1 and 10G nics I've worked with. For me, Realtek 1G works ok until it doesn't, it's possible to overwelm the hardware with traffic and then you get bad behavior --- queues get stuck or seem to get stuck and the queue processing doesn't always fully reset when you tell it to --- this can lead to wild writes, following descriptors that the OS thought were dead. Sometimes better results with Realtek's drivers than open source drivers, but they frob the hardware with crypticly named defines, and I've seen them send pause frames (which nobody wants) with no way to disable. On one machine, using Realtek's drivers results in immediate kernel panics, so it's not universally great. The interrupt design is poor anyway --- MSI-X dates from 2002, they could have used a separate irq for rx, tx, and misc, rather than a single interrupt and a status register. But that might be ok if the status register worked properly. It's too easy to have timing issues when poking the status register and then you don't get interrupts you should. I haven't touched their 2.5g hardware, hopefully they fixed some stuff.

Semaphor 4y ago

Search where? Because I can only find them for 350€+

StillBored 4y ago
The top of the pi thread has this one: (16G ram, dual nic, 512G ssd) for $190 right now. https://www.amazon.com/Processor-Beelink-Computer-Support-Display/dp/B0B7RT33ZX/ref=sr_1_2_sspa https://www.amazon.com/Processor-Beelink-Computer-Support-Di... If you lower the ram/ssd you can find them for $120 or so, some also have the dual 2.5G adapters, and as the link up thread shows its possible for ~200 to even get them with 4+ 2.5G links. Granted a lot of these are "deals" rather than MSRP, but right now the "deals" seem to be the normal state of affairs, although it was mentioned that they have been slightly cheaper in the past couple weeks.
- Semaphor 4y ago
  I guess those sales are US only, prices here in Germany are far higher.
- Narishma 4y ago
  It says $279 for the one you linked.

sliken 4y ago

Indeed, there's a family of them with the N4000, N5000, N6000 families and even the i3/i5/i7 with 4-6 2.5G ports. There's a fair number at: https://www.servethehome.com/category/networking/ https://www.servethehome.com/category/networking/