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'Kill everyone': Russian violence in Ukraine was strategic

50 points by tomohawk 4y ago

randomfinn 4y ago
Is this cut and paste from https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/russian-general-troops-killed-civilians-ukraine/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/russian-general-t... ?
- soraminazuki 4y ago
  The opening paragraph indicates that this article was provided by the Associated Press, so no it's not plagiarism.
magwa101 4y ago
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unity1001 4y ago
Remembering how a lot of such 'news' from the NATO side have turned out to be outright Ww I grade lies and atrocity propaganda, I'll just ignore this one.
- pvaldes 4y ago
  > a lot of such 'news' from the NATO side are propaganda And all the news that came from the Russian side
  - unity1001 4y ago
    So claim the very sick fcks who lied for EIGHT straight years and murdered 1 million Iraqis. They have absolutely no authority to issue any decrees about anyone's trustworthiness. Trusting liars on who is a liar is just batsht insane.
    - sattoshi 4y ago
      The documented mass murder of iraqis is unfathomable. You will never even see a million people in your life. All of them had their families, careers, hopes for the future.
      - unity1001 4y ago
        Yep. And these people STILL trust those who propagated that lie and murdered 1 million Iraqis. Its as if something changed in the time in between and pooof the establishments that perpetuated that murder suddenly gained conscience and honesty. The EXACT same people who lied about the WMDs are totally not lying about Ukraine and stuff right now. They are telling the truth this time.
    - pvaldes 4y ago
      Ok, In our program "Look who is genociding now for stealing billions and fun" lets make a genocide count: Gheorgia, Syria, Chechnya, Ukranie... And a lot of Russians also, of course. Young people sent to the meat grinder for no reason. Your lifes are mine, die for your Pharaoh. Genocide in Irak was horrible, and we have the full authority to denounce this -and- other genocides.
      - unity1001 4y ago
        Literal angloamerican establishment smears that are directed at EVERY enemy it targets. "Every US enemy is Hitler" shtick. Blaming everyone else for genocide where there was none according to 80% of the world outside Angloamerica. There was no genocide in georgia, none in Syria apart from whom the islamists that CIA and Pentagon funded collectively massacred, neither in Cechnya, nor now in Ukraine. Like how Germans raped babies in Belgium in Ww I but they havent, like how Gaddafi gave rape kits to his soldiers, like how Saddam gave rape kits to his soldiers, and now, voila - Putin is giving rape kits to his soldiers, the Mirror tells us, and legions of Angloamericans BELIEVE it and repeat it online. ALL of those 'genocides' are claimed, 'proven' or confirmed by the very same Angloamerican and satellite organizations who literally MADE the nonexistent Iraqi WMDs lie. Considering how no revolution happened in the time period to overthrow who owns and controls those organizations, leave aside the actual Angloamerican establishment, believing them and what they say is as dumb as believing the Iraqi WMDs lie. Its as simple as that. And, "Iraq was horrible". No. It wasnt 'horrible'. It was a systematic, calculated, cold blooded massacre that KEEPS REPEATING. Nikaragua. Ecuador. Vietnam. Now in Yemen. Every single place where the Angloamerican establishment got its hands at. > we have the full authority to denounce this -and- other genocides. No, you dont. For starters, you are totally not making the same noise and exhibiting the same outrage towards the sick f*cks who made happen Iraq and EVERY single case before Iraq and after Iraq. They are living in your midst. You are doing absolutely nothing to hold them accountable. You aren't even 'canceling' them. You aren't taking them to courts. You aren't trying to destroy the people and institutions that protect them. Based on the outrage that you are showing for everyone else's crimes, you should be out with torches and pitchforks, in front of those people's houses, demanding their heads. That's the level of outrage that you are directing at others. But of course, its much better to rant about others than your own ruling class. Second, and worse, you literally HELP those people by repeating their smears about all the others' genocides. Best way to deflect the blame after all, is to smear others even if they are based on lies. Therefore, if you want to claim ANY authority regarding any kind of human rights affair, deal with the sociopaths who are in your midst first, bring them to justice, prevent anyone from committing the same, and then come and talk. Otherwise, no, you dont have any authority on anything. All you people are doing is just repeating lies and smears. Then again, not so surprising, looking at the state of discourse in Angloamerican media - lies and smears sell.
- klausjensen 4y ago
  Propaganda and lies? The mass-graves with civilians, hands tied behind their back, gunshot to the back of the head, clear signs of torture, thousands of witness-testimonies. Bucha, Irpin, Izium etc. And all of it will look like tiddlywinks compared to when we get the full picture of what happened in Mariupol one day. But if you want to believe it is all lies and evil nazi (or is it satanic these days?) NATO-propaganda, go ahead.
  - unity1001 4y ago
    > The mass-graves with civilians, hands tied behind their back, gunshot to the back of the head Just like the WMDs in Iraq. And the 'rape kits' of Gaddafi soldiers. The same rape kits which Russian soldiers seem to have now. And they are just like how Germans raped babies during Ww I in Belgium. It worked that one time and every single time after that, so they are still using atrocity propaganda. Because Angloamerican public are suckers for it. > when we get the full picture of what happened in Mariupol one day. Yeah, when whichever 'nationalist' Ukrainan battalion murdered those people who wore the white armbands of Russian volunteers are caught, we will definitely learn what happened. But of course, that will change absolutely nothing: Because by then you people will have moved to the new atrocity propaganda around the new war. > NATO-propaganda, go ahead. Having lived through NATO propaganda and lies first hand, yeah, I will go ahead.
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      > Yeah, when whichever 'nationalist' Ukrainan battalion murdered those people who wore the white armbands of Russian volunteers are caught, we will definitely learn what happened. This is such an extraordinary claim you must have a great evidence for it right?.
      - unity1001 4y ago
        Yeah. Better than the evidence that the Ukrainian government, who had to fire one of their ministers for lying about 'Russians raping children', has. Its amazing how proven, persistent liars can be trusted again and again in Anglosphere. The dead in Bucha had white armbands. Those armbands are worn by local civilians who help in distributing the Russian-army supplied aid before the Russian army left the region and Ukrainian nationalists declared that they 'cleaned up the traitors'. .... The 'extraordinary claim' bit is interesting. Why should it be 'extraordinary'? Because Russia - or whomever the current Angloamerican enemy - is sufficiently demonized in the Western press that it is 'extraordinary' to say that something like this did not happen? How is that any different from the nonexistent Iraqi WMDs, how Saddam gave 'rape kits' to his soldiers, and then Gaddafi gave rape kits to his soldiers and then now - surprise - Russia gives rape kits to its soldiers as we are told by The Mirror? The SAME lie that was used against the Germans back in World war I, STILL being used in EVERY affair in which the UK or the US gets involved in, against their enemies? Why the Western public are so big suckers for atrocity propaganda even as 80% of the world just does not buy the same bullsh*t? ... The only answer is that because you people WANT to believe such lies. It appeases the false superiority that is exercised over the farcical 'democracy and freedom' shtick, it creates social cohesion among the group and it projects the problems at home and the anger resulting from them to outside enemies. Which helps you to tolerate the real enemies that live in your midst, like the ones who rule your society - the ones whom you can do nothing about. There is no other explanation for such an insistence on believing the same lies over and over and over and over.
tim333 4y ago
Well, looking on the bright side the Russians and invaders in that part of the world have been doing this stuff for centuries. Their probable defeat in Ukraine may help bring it to an end. They are maybe the last major invading nation. UK, France, Germany et al gave up on it a while back, and China only really seems interested in getting back Taiwan and a bit of the South China Sea.
midislack 4y ago
Meanwhile the Marine Corps says they've taken care not to kill civilians.

50 points by tomohawk 4y ago

Is this cut and paste from https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/russian-general-troops-killed-civilians-ukraine/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/russian-general-t... ?

soraminazuki 4y ago
The opening paragraph indicates that this article was provided by the Associated Press, so no it's not plagiarism.

magwa101 4y ago

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unity1001 4y ago

Remembering how a lot of such 'news' from the NATO side have turned out to be outright Ww I grade lies and atrocity propaganda, I'll just ignore this one.

pvaldes 4y ago
> a lot of such 'news' from the NATO side are propaganda And all the news that came from the Russian side
- unity1001 4y ago
  So claim the very sick fcks who lied for EIGHT straight years and murdered 1 million Iraqis. They have absolutely no authority to issue any decrees about anyone's trustworthiness. Trusting liars on who is a liar is just batsht insane.
  - sattoshi 4y ago
    The documented mass murder of iraqis is unfathomable. You will never even see a million people in your life. All of them had their families, careers, hopes for the future.
    - unity1001 4y ago
      Yep. And these people STILL trust those who propagated that lie and murdered 1 million Iraqis. Its as if something changed in the time in between and pooof the establishments that perpetuated that murder suddenly gained conscience and honesty. The EXACT same people who lied about the WMDs are totally not lying about Ukraine and stuff right now. They are telling the truth this time.
  - pvaldes 4y ago
    Ok, In our program "Look who is genociding now for stealing billions and fun" lets make a genocide count: Gheorgia, Syria, Chechnya, Ukranie... And a lot of Russians also, of course. Young people sent to the meat grinder for no reason. Your lifes are mine, die for your Pharaoh. Genocide in Irak was horrible, and we have the full authority to denounce this -and- other genocides.
    - unity1001 4y ago
      Literal angloamerican establishment smears that are directed at EVERY enemy it targets. "Every US enemy is Hitler" shtick. Blaming everyone else for genocide where there was none according to 80% of the world outside Angloamerica. There was no genocide in georgia, none in Syria apart from whom the islamists that CIA and Pentagon funded collectively massacred, neither in Cechnya, nor now in Ukraine. Like how Germans raped babies in Belgium in Ww I but they havent, like how Gaddafi gave rape kits to his soldiers, like how Saddam gave rape kits to his soldiers, and now, voila - Putin is giving rape kits to his soldiers, the Mirror tells us, and legions of Angloamericans BELIEVE it and repeat it online. ALL of those 'genocides' are claimed, 'proven' or confirmed by the very same Angloamerican and satellite organizations who literally MADE the nonexistent Iraqi WMDs lie. Considering how no revolution happened in the time period to overthrow who owns and controls those organizations, leave aside the actual Angloamerican establishment, believing them and what they say is as dumb as believing the Iraqi WMDs lie. Its as simple as that. And, "Iraq was horrible". No. It wasnt 'horrible'. It was a systematic, calculated, cold blooded massacre that KEEPS REPEATING. Nikaragua. Ecuador. Vietnam. Now in Yemen. Every single place where the Angloamerican establishment got its hands at. > we have the full authority to denounce this -and- other genocides. No, you dont. For starters, you are totally not making the same noise and exhibiting the same outrage towards the sick f*cks who made happen Iraq and EVERY single case before Iraq and after Iraq. They are living in your midst. You are doing absolutely nothing to hold them accountable. You aren't even 'canceling' them. You aren't taking them to courts. You aren't trying to destroy the people and institutions that protect them. Based on the outrage that you are showing for everyone else's crimes, you should be out with torches and pitchforks, in front of those people's houses, demanding their heads. That's the level of outrage that you are directing at others. But of course, its much better to rant about others than your own ruling class. Second, and worse, you literally HELP those people by repeating their smears about all the others' genocides. Best way to deflect the blame after all, is to smear others even if they are based on lies. Therefore, if you want to claim ANY authority regarding any kind of human rights affair, deal with the sociopaths who are in your midst first, bring them to justice, prevent anyone from committing the same, and then come and talk. Otherwise, no, you dont have any authority on anything. All you people are doing is just repeating lies and smears. Then again, not so surprising, looking at the state of discourse in Angloamerican media - lies and smears sell.
klausjensen 4y ago
Propaganda and lies? The mass-graves with civilians, hands tied behind their back, gunshot to the back of the head, clear signs of torture, thousands of witness-testimonies. Bucha, Irpin, Izium etc. And all of it will look like tiddlywinks compared to when we get the full picture of what happened in Mariupol one day. But if you want to believe it is all lies and evil nazi (or is it satanic these days?) NATO-propaganda, go ahead.
- unity1001 4y ago
  > The mass-graves with civilians, hands tied behind their back, gunshot to the back of the head Just like the WMDs in Iraq. And the 'rape kits' of Gaddafi soldiers. The same rape kits which Russian soldiers seem to have now. And they are just like how Germans raped babies during Ww I in Belgium. It worked that one time and every single time after that, so they are still using atrocity propaganda. Because Angloamerican public are suckers for it. > when we get the full picture of what happened in Mariupol one day. Yeah, when whichever 'nationalist' Ukrainan battalion murdered those people who wore the white armbands of Russian volunteers are caught, we will definitely learn what happened. But of course, that will change absolutely nothing: Because by then you people will have moved to the new atrocity propaganda around the new war. > NATO-propaganda, go ahead. Having lived through NATO propaganda and lies first hand, yeah, I will go ahead.
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    > Yeah, when whichever 'nationalist' Ukrainan battalion murdered those people who wore the white armbands of Russian volunteers are caught, we will definitely learn what happened. This is such an extraordinary claim you must have a great evidence for it right?.
    - unity1001 4y ago
      Yeah. Better than the evidence that the Ukrainian government, who had to fire one of their ministers for lying about 'Russians raping children', has. Its amazing how proven, persistent liars can be trusted again and again in Anglosphere. The dead in Bucha had white armbands. Those armbands are worn by local civilians who help in distributing the Russian-army supplied aid before the Russian army left the region and Ukrainian nationalists declared that they 'cleaned up the traitors'. .... The 'extraordinary claim' bit is interesting. Why should it be 'extraordinary'? Because Russia - or whomever the current Angloamerican enemy - is sufficiently demonized in the Western press that it is 'extraordinary' to say that something like this did not happen? How is that any different from the nonexistent Iraqi WMDs, how Saddam gave 'rape kits' to his soldiers, and then Gaddafi gave rape kits to his soldiers and then now - surprise - Russia gives rape kits to its soldiers as we are told by The Mirror? The SAME lie that was used against the Germans back in World war I, STILL being used in EVERY affair in which the UK or the US gets involved in, against their enemies? Why the Western public are so big suckers for atrocity propaganda even as 80% of the world just does not buy the same bullsh*t? ... The only answer is that because you people WANT to believe such lies. It appeases the false superiority that is exercised over the farcical 'democracy and freedom' shtick, it creates social cohesion among the group and it projects the problems at home and the anger resulting from them to outside enemies. Which helps you to tolerate the real enemies that live in your midst, like the ones who rule your society - the ones whom you can do nothing about. There is no other explanation for such an insistence on believing the same lies over and over and over and over.

tim333 4y ago

Well, looking on the bright side the Russians and invaders in that part of the world have been doing this stuff for centuries. Their probable defeat in Ukraine may help bring it to an end. They are maybe the last major invading nation. UK, France, Germany et al gave up on it a while back, and China only really seems interested in getting back Taiwan and a bit of the South China Sea.

midislack 4y ago

Meanwhile the Marine Corps says they've taken care not to kill civilians.