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While I agree with the author on many things, this one upset me: > fucking government... They’re out here banning books, Elon! I don't believe that repeating

While I agree with the author on many things, this one upset me: > fucking government... They’re out here banning books, Elon! I don't believe that repeating a lie will make it true. The government is not banning any books, Nilay. Parents do. And not globally, but at a local level. It's another question whether they should or not, but I'd expect more precision and integrity from a prominent journalist. Most people don't fact check everything and if they learn something from a reputable source, they believe it.

gjsman-1000 4y ago
The Verge is actually a subsidiary of Vox, the far-left tabloid. It's not surprising then that Vox-like traits appear in their articles.
pionar 4y ago
Parents through their local school boards, AKA, government.
- amanaplanacanal 4y ago
  Apparently some people think public schools are not a government institution?
objectivetruth 4y ago
dymk 4y ago
Who do you think enforces a book ban at a local school?
- hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
  Parents aka the people. Literally the opposite of the government.
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    That's why the constitution starts with "We the government".
  - dymk 4y ago
    ...By making a kerfuffle to the school, and public schools are ran by a institution we know of as...
maxsilver 4y ago
> The government is not banning any books The local township library and school board are both literally the government, and the book banning is largely happening based on local election results (typically county positions and/or school board positions -- both from election ballots) It's not wrong at all to say the government is banning books -- that statement is objectively correct, it's just happening at the lowest levels of government.
- hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
  I understand that they are public institutions, but there is a crucial distinction. When you say "the government wants to ban arms/restrict free speech" I assume you mean the state or federal government wants to introduce a new law. Whereas in this case it was the parents who were concerned and asked relevant institutions. It doesn't matter if the books promote violence against minorities or LGBT+ themes, if parents of the kids feel uncomfortable with them and use a lawful process to limit their kids exposure to them in education, I find it quite an exaggeration to say that "the government does it." Or maybe it's become common usage to call local initiatives government, I don't know.
  - maxsilver 4y ago
    I disagree, there's no meaningful distinction whatsoever. > I assume you mean the state or federal government wants to introduce a new law. Why? If it were any other issue, no one would care about the distinction. If Allegan County, Michigan banned firearms, people would still claim it's an infringement of 2nd Amendment rights, even though it's just "concerned parents asking relevant institutions at the local level" and not necessarily a state/federal law. But when that same exact county bans books and/or libraries instead, suddenly it "doesn't count" for some reason?
  - ilyt 4y ago
    "Parents told government to ban books" is still government banning the books

gjsman-1000 4y ago

The Verge is actually a subsidiary of Vox, the far-left tabloid. It's not surprising then that Vox-like traits appear in their articles.

pionar 4y ago

Parents through their local school boards, AKA, government.

amanaplanacanal 4y ago
Apparently some people think public schools are not a government institution?

objectivetruth 4y ago

dymk 4y ago

Who do you think enforces a book ban at a local school?

hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
Parents aka the people. Literally the opposite of the government.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  That's why the constitution starts with "We the government".
- dymk 4y ago
  ...By making a kerfuffle to the school, and public schools are ran by a institution we know of as...

maxsilver 4y ago

> The government is not banning any books The local township library and school board are both literally the government, and the book banning is largely happening based on local election results (typically county positions and/or school board positions -- both from election ballots) It's not wrong at all to say the government is banning books -- that statement is objectively correct, it's just happening at the lowest levels of government.

hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
I understand that they are public institutions, but there is a crucial distinction. When you say "the government wants to ban arms/restrict free speech" I assume you mean the state or federal government wants to introduce a new law. Whereas in this case it was the parents who were concerned and asked relevant institutions. It doesn't matter if the books promote violence against minorities or LGBT+ themes, if parents of the kids feel uncomfortable with them and use a lawful process to limit their kids exposure to them in education, I find it quite an exaggeration to say that "the government does it." Or maybe it's become common usage to call local initiatives government, I don't know.
- maxsilver 4y ago
  I disagree, there's no meaningful distinction whatsoever. > I assume you mean the state or federal government wants to introduce a new law. Why? If it were any other issue, no one would care about the distinction. If Allegan County, Michigan banned firearms, people would still claim it's an infringement of 2nd Amendment rights, even though it's just "concerned parents asking relevant institutions at the local level" and not necessarily a state/federal law. But when that same exact county bans books and/or libraries instead, suddenly it "doesn't count" for some reason?
- ilyt 4y ago
  "Parents told government to ban books" is still government banning the books