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It's a complex problem when you start to dig into it, mostly because so much software (including Photoshop) is delivered as a SaaS product and even more so as t

by ehnto 4y ago

It's a complex problem when you start to dig into it, mostly because so much software (including Photoshop) is delivered as a SaaS product and even more so as they become more and more cloud connected. Behaving more like a live-service that you're connected to rather than a discrete application on your device. You could say that your application should continue to have the licensed content, but their live-service couldn't continue to provide it through their servers. I think these are just oversights in the contract in a way. I would hope we'd see less of these mishaps as time goes on and companies get better at writing long-term outcomes into their contracts. It would be a pain in the butt to write software that handles legacy licensing per user over a live service though.

moolcool 4y ago
You're right, but that doesn't stop it from sucking. Like every defense of Adobe and Pantone here are technically correct and rational, but that doesn't stop this from being a stupid problem which is deeply unfair to the consumer.
- ehnto 4y ago
  Oh I agree wholeheartedly. And we will probably be bringing up the Adobe Pantone debacle in ten years when auto owners suddenly lose access to their heated seats because their licensing ran out, or somthing equally asinine. We seem to be very busy applying all these same mistakes but to real world products like coffee pod machines, cars and TVs, home security and such.
  - tanseydavid 4y ago
    The problem emanates from the supply end. They all want their recurring revenue because some other corporation is doing it. There is no more thought put into it than that.
    - Gibbon1 4y ago
      I own some shares in a company and took a look at what their valuation would be. play sad trombone sound. It did appear that companies with reoccurring revenue based on a monopoly are valued much higher than ones that produce single shot revenue. I think the solution would be to change corporate tax laws to even things out a bit. Like treat rents off things like Pantone as pure taxable profit.
mindslight 4y ago
We should plainly reject the adoption of Software Augmented with Additional Surveillance. If the purpose of some software doesn't involve communication, yet a specific piece of software arbitrarily requires Internet access (likely for the developer's own purposes of control), then don't use it. Period. In addition to saving yourself from this type of bait and switch, you'll be dodging some surveillance and other user-hostile anti-features enabled constant connectivity. There are plenty of older releases of Photoshop available on torrent sites that will install locally, that should have long passed into public domain if copyright law were sane. If Adobe isn't even willing to sell you a version of Photoshop, and insists that you can now only rent it, that's yet another reason to not feel bad about piracy.

by ehnto 4y ago

moolcool 4y ago

You're right, but that doesn't stop it from sucking. Like every defense of Adobe and Pantone here are technically correct and rational, but that doesn't stop this from being a stupid problem which is deeply unfair to the consumer.

ehnto 4y ago
Oh I agree wholeheartedly. And we will probably be bringing up the Adobe Pantone debacle in ten years when auto owners suddenly lose access to their heated seats because their licensing ran out, or somthing equally asinine. We seem to be very busy applying all these same mistakes but to real world products like coffee pod machines, cars and TVs, home security and such.
- tanseydavid 4y ago
  The problem emanates from the supply end. They all want their recurring revenue because some other corporation is doing it. There is no more thought put into it than that.
  - Gibbon1 4y ago
    I own some shares in a company and took a look at what their valuation would be. play sad trombone sound. It did appear that companies with reoccurring revenue based on a monopoly are valued much higher than ones that produce single shot revenue. I think the solution would be to change corporate tax laws to even things out a bit. Like treat rents off things like Pantone as pure taxable profit.

mindslight 4y ago

We should plainly reject the adoption of Software Augmented with Additional Surveillance. If the purpose of some software doesn't involve communication, yet a specific piece of software arbitrarily requires Internet access (likely for the developer's own purposes of control), then don't use it. Period. In addition to saving yourself from this type of bait and switch, you'll be dodging some surveillance and other user-hostile anti-features enabled constant connectivity. There are plenty of older releases of Photoshop available on torrent sites that will install locally, that should have long passed into public domain if copyright law were sane. If Adobe isn't even willing to sell you a version of Photoshop, and insists that you can now only rent it, that's yet another reason to not feel bad about piracy.