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Odroid-H3
- ThrowawayR2 4y agoNice to see a successor to the H2/H2+ finally. > Power consumption: IDLE : ≃1.9W Better idle power than a Raspberry Pi 4 plus it has functioning suspend modes.
- tym0 4y agoIf this can replace the laptop I am running as plex server and with the current price of electricity of the UK, it could pay itself pack in less than five months...
- alias_neo 4y agoThey have 2 dots in there, "1..9W" so I believe it's 1-9W not 1.9W. Hard to say though.
- moffkalast 4y agoAfter all these years I still can't believe the Pi 4 has no low power mode and uses like 2 W when completely shut down. Like seriously how can you mess up so badly. 'Fewer components', yadda yadda, and on the other hand they manage to include a full headphone jack that's completely unusable due to induced noise... just sigh
- hadlock 4y agoI haven't seen a corrupted SD card on an SBC in, well since at least 2015. I guess it's possible under heavy read/write but I've not experienced it and I tinker with the stuff at least a couple times a year.
- beebeepka 4y agoReally? My Pi managed to corrupt two 128gb cards in 2 years or so. It absolutely happens. I was running light web apps with less than 10 users, hence minimal writes, especially for cards this big
- cptskippy 4y agoI run a couple Raspberry Pi 2s and they average about 1 SD card a year between them.
- woleium 4y agoare you mounting with noatime, cuz you should be.
- abudabi123 4y agoTo reduce wear and tear you can set temporary storage to /dev/shm, point the application setting for cache there. TMPDIR is one environment variable for this kind of thing. The distros for SBCs should optimize for ramdisk.
- hadlock 4y agoYes. I buy my SD cards from B&H to try and minimize chances of getting counterfit product. I have never had a corrupted card that I can recall, and I just unplug them.
- sliken 4y agoAs someone else mentioned it's 1-9W not 1.9W for the H3 and H3+. I don't particularly trust the numbers, generally the N6005 runs hotter than the N5105, which makes sense since it's the same process and largely the same chip with more GPU EUs. ServeTheHome mentions VERY similar boxes (same CPUs) "At idle, we saw between 10-12W depending on single versus double SODIMM configurations. Maximum power consumption hit just over 30W. Both at idle and at maximum, this is significantly higher than the J4125, but one also gets more performance, so there is a clear trade-off. At the top end, adding ~5W over the N5105 was unexpected based on similar TDPs." On the N5105 (they reviewed at least two) "Power was not a winning point of this solution. At idle, we saw between 10-12W depending on single versus double SODIMM configurations. Maximum power consumption hit 24.5W even with the Topton configured (512GB/16GB) unit. There is clearly room to go up from there. This is a lot higher on both idle and maximum power consumption than the Celeron J4125 that we looked at previously."
- tbyehl 4y agoI suspect that H3/H3+ numbers are on the DC side with an eMMC module, a single DDR4 SO-DIMM of the lowest capacity, with the most aggressive power management settings, and nothing else attached. 1.9w idle is plausible but not what people are going to see with a realistic running configuration measured from the AC end.
- 3np 4y agoI really wish this supported being driven over 12V, though. Starting at 14 makes it suboptimal for several scenarios I'd have considered it for.
- StillBored 4y agoYah, its cool, but as mentioned in the pi thread, there are a pile of these jasper lake nuc's available via large retailers for $100-200, some better some worse, but in most cases they come with ram, storage, case and powersupply for those prices. for example, search for beelink.
- capableweb 4y agoDo those come with two ethernet ports, two DDR4 slots (up to 64GB), eMMC, M.2 and two SATA ports? For me, this almost looks like an instant buy.
- katmannthree 4y agoGenerally not all of those. They do come with a case, active cooling, ~~far better graphics performance, and fewer software headaches due to being amd64 instead of aarch64 though~~ nevermind, forgot that this is jasper lake too.
- capableweb 4y agoAdding the H3+, power supply, fan and case to the cart reveals a total of ~180 USD, that's a pretty good price for what you get. I agree that the graphics might not be the best in class, but it's also not the worst. Overall I feel like it's a pretty neat price.
- BackBlast 4y agoThe iGPU on Jasper Lake CPUs is actually pretty good, particularly for the price. Much more potent than previous iterations of this class of CPU.
- devonkim 4y agoNot just gigabit or 100 mbit Ethernet ports either but 2.5 gbps and Realtek at that (ironically people have been complaining more about Intel NICs than Realtek recently but that’s anecdotal still IMO). There’s also other factors like GPIO pins as well. This is a board better suited for relatively higher performance and power efficient embedded projects by far than what most OEMs will produce.
- pizza234 4y agoI own an H2, and I strongly suggest them as middle ground between a PC and an (SBC) ARM. One of the main advantages is support, both in terms of applications (some programs may not yet compile on ARM), and kernel (although (some) ARM SBC can run with a stock kernel, it's advices to run a specific kernel to run optimally). The H2 also run impressively cool, and I suppose the H3 does, as well. Note though, that RPis have never been the most price effective ARM solution, as Hardkernel has always had more powerful and/or cheaper alternatives. Their current N2+ is probably both more powerful and cheaper than the equivalent RPi.
- heresie-dabord 4y agoI was an early adopter of Hardkernel's Odroids, for better (size, performance:cost) and for worse (longevity). This looks like a winner in every way. x86_64 for longevity and support, tested with Ubuntu $latest LTS decent CPU, better than Raspberry Pi RAM up to 64GB, two SO-DIMM slots, up to 32GB per slot M.2 NVMe storage 2 x 2.5Gbit Ethernet ports 2 x SATA 3.0 ports Intel UHD Graphics, HDMI 2.0 and DP 1.2 video outputs
- moffkalast 4y agoNot only that, but after some digging it seems that the GPIO header is actually not half bad either despite it being somewhat small: https://wiki.odroid.com/_detail/odroid-h3/hardware/h3_24pinmap.png?id=odroid-h3%3Ahardware%3Aio_expansion_gpio https://wiki.odroid.com/_detail/odroid-h3/hardware/h3_24pinm... Supports i2c, UART, USB, and hopefully manual pin control too. That's already miles ahead of a NUC in terms of interfacing.
- eqvinox 4y ago> Supports i2c, UART, USB, and hopefully manual pin control too. From the set of pins provided I wouldn't get any hopes up for manual pin control. All pins are single-function, USB pins are almost never switchable (because they're high-speed analog-ish PHY functions), and UART & I2C are not GPIO-capable functions on most x86 platforms.
- jesperwe 4y agoTHANK YOU a thousand times for providing actual power consumption specs! (Sorley missing from most SBC product pages...)
- sliken 4y agoAs mentioned elsewhere, it's 1-9W not 1.9W idle. Other similar products idle at 10-12 watts with the same CPU.
- throwaway81523 4y ago4932 passmark according to this: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?id=4565 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?id=4565 That is pretty respectable. But, this is a $165 board, so it seems kind of niche compared to a small PC motherboard at around half the price, unless I'm way out of date.
- nix0n 4y agoThis isn't just a small motherboard, it includes the CPU also.
- aliqot 4y agoWhat small pc mobo/chip combos would you recommend at around half the price?
- pizza234 4y agoIn addition to the sibling comment, form factor is an advantage, for those looking for a small machine (Mini ITX != Nano ITX; the H* are actually even smaller than Nano-ITX). Hardkernel produces several very interesting boxes for H2 (I suppose also for the H3); I think there were 5 or 6 at the time, for different use cases. There was a very small one that fitted two 2.5" SSDs. They're all ugly, low quality, and tedious to assemble, but they're very small and relatively cheap.
- chromatin 4y agoThis looks like a great chance to ask: Besides the ODROID-Hn series, what other single-board computers have dual ethernet? Very few, AFAICT. For router use-case, the alternatives suggested (buy an older NUC, for instance) don't work.
- easygenes 4y agoNanoPi R5S has dual 2.5Gb and a 1Gb. [1] 1: https://www.friendlyelec.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=287
- sliken 4y agohttps://www.friendlyelec.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=289 https://www.friendlyelec.com/index.php?route=product/product... Double the ram, faster CPU, and double the price.
- easygenes 4y agoOh nice, those are a good deal. Looks like the cheapest board with RK3588S announced yet, and with all that ethernet to boot! Those were just launched a couple of days ago, looks like. [1][2] 1: https://liliputing.com/nanopi-r6s-is-a-single-board-pc-with-rk3588s-8gb-ram-and-three-ethernet-ports-for-119/ 2: https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/10/28/nanopi-r6s-rockchip-rk3588s-router-mini-pc-dual-2-5gbe-gbe-hdmi-2-1/
- 0cf8612b2e1e 4y agoWhy wouldn’t a NUC work? I have a fanless Zoltac with dual nics. I use it as a media PC , but presumably it would work fine as a router. A cursory glance at Zoltac’s page shows they still produce a variety of new configurations.
- bubblethink 4y agoLook around at STH forums. There are a bunch of jasperlake products with 4x or 6x 2.5 Gbe. This is one such seller: www.loksing.com.cn . You can also find them on aliexpress.
- sliken 4y agoNice unit, I tried to buy similar as a home router using the Odroid $47 4 x 2.5G daughter board. Sadly the chip shortage killed the H2 plus off. However there's now a zillion celeron+6x2.5G units out there cheap, see https://www.servethehome.com/category/networking/ https://www.servethehome.com/category/networking/ for variants with N6005, i7-1165G7, N5095, and similar with 4 or 6 2.5G ports. If you want an ARM variant, this one has 1G + 2x2.5G: https://liliputing.com/nanopi-r6s-is-a-single-board-pc-with-rk3588s-8gb-ram-and-three-ethernet-ports-for-119/ https://liliputing.com/nanopi-r6s-is-a-single-board-pc-with-...
- olvy0 4y agoThere's also the CompuLab products, for example the fitlet 2. https://fit-iot.com/web/products/fitlet2/ https://fit-iot.com/web/products/fitlet2/ https://fit-iot.com/web/products/fitlet2/fitlet2-specifications/ https://fit-iot.com/web/products/fitlet2/fitlet2-specificati... Almost 8 years ago I bought their older model, Intense PC, to use it as our living-room "multimedia" machine even since. It's running Linux (currently latest Mint), without any problems all these years, including zero driver problems (a rarity among other Linux systems I've used). And of course no noisy fans since it has none, its passive cooling is really good. https://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/intense-pc/ https://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/intense-pc/
- lob_it 4y agoAnybody still waiting on the intel 820 linux drivers? The odroid-h3 looks like a nice kit, but lack of expandability and obsolete onboard components (wifi, video, sound, etc) were always better served with expansion options for all of the components and peripherals, especially for those raised with desktop computing. The prices of some sbc's are reasonable, but the stink about soldered CPU's from a decade or so ago still holds true. I remember getting a gigabyte mobo with the 479 cpu in the early 2000's and rocked that kit for a decade as an HTPC, router and general use PC. Just popped in a quad nic, video card or used the default onboard components for basic browsing/word processing. Some PCIe slots for expansion takes the mitx (and smaller) designs much further. Case form factors have seen their own evolution, but internal PCIe to external PCIe enclosure would rock in 2022. Especially at some of the pricepoints. Its just easier to install linux supported components/hardware for the best experience.
- Severian 4y agoThe Jasper chip should be able to be used with hypervisors as it has VT-x and VT-d. Wish they listed the chipset for the Ethernet however, as VMware 7.x/8.x only supports a limited number (unlike 6.x which allowed community drivers). You might be able to host a handful of small low IO/CPU VMs on this. EDIT: Found the block diagram and these are Realtek RTL8125B. Not compatible with ESXi 7/8.. can use under 6.7 but I believe that's out of support now :/
- sliken 4y agoFor such a small system VMware seems like a weird choice. Why not proxmox?
- Severian 4y agoMainly for homelab use to complement work environment.
- rcarmo 4y agoOr just use Proxmox and fill it with dozens of LXC containers :)
- Severian 4y agoIndeed. Regretfully I would like to use this with the software I help support, which only runs under the major 2 players (VMware / Hyper-V).
- ydj 4y agoI bought one of these to play with xcp-ng, but I didn’t do enough research or I’d have known that there’s problems with jasper lake, and they won’t have a working release till end of year.
- driverdan 4y agoHas anyone tried one of these for 4k plex transcoding? 32 EUs isn't a lot but may be enough for a couple of streams.
- noncoml 4y agoAliExpress has some interesting pc’s based on N6005 on similar price point. Search for Topton N6005
- StephenSmith 4y agoDoes anyone know how this compares to something like the NVIDIA Jetson Nano? https://developer.nvidia.com/embedded/jetson-nano-developer-kit https://developer.nvidia.com/embedded/jetson-nano-developer-...
- flatiron 4y agoDifferent use cases. Jetson is for open CL. This is a SBC for general server/light desktop usage.
- Klasiaster 4y agoWho cares just about plain HW specs? Nowadays I also expect the info on whether it supports UEFI booting, whether the firmware gets updates (and if fwupd or not), and if mainline Linux can boot and from what version. Too often these products have a limited lifetime (and are too hard to use) due to lack of the above.
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- Svenstaro 4y agoI'm running the H3+ right now and I can tell you that I'm booting plain UEFI with a plain Arch Linux and no special stuff required at all. The firmware received 2 updates so far in 3 months.
- Klasiaster 4y agoSounds better than the other boards, they could have written this stuff as selling point.
- ratiolat 4y agoOh boy. I'd buy this instantly if it was AMD. Is there comparable alternative which uses AMD CPU?
- bubblethink 4y agoAMD ones exist, but are more expensive: https://www.loksing.com.cn/products/pre-sale-amd-ryzen-r5-5600u-r7-5800u-r7-5825u-low-power-8-core-16-thread-soft-routing-mini-host-i226-v-aluminum-chassis-copper-tube-silent-fan?variant=39813410127921 https://www.loksing.com.cn/products/pre-sale-amd-ryzen-r5-56...
- ratiolat 4y agoThe domain does not resolve for me.
- bubblethink 4y agoIf you are able to access aliexpress, you can try https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804596515777.html https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804596515777.html.
- suggestion 4y agoThe ultra low power Intel (N5XXX and N6XXX) are by far the best x86 CPUs per watt right now. The n6005 on the H3+ could easily handle 3-4+ 4K encodes as a media server with the eGPU too. It's pretty much my ideal hardware for that use case so I'm probably in for one.
- ccakes 4y agoASRock Industrial have a product line but finding resellers can be a challenge. https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/4x4 https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/4x4
- ratiolat 4y agoThis looked very promising (despite the pricetag), but those have only 1xsata.
- bubblethink 4y agoAs others have pointed out, the value prop of these boards is running thin. STH covers a bunch of similar products, and this is a tough sell at $165. You can find many similar jasper lake router boards with 4x 2.5 Gbe in a similar price range, but they'll come in a proper case with a power supply.
- pizza234 4y agoCan you provide some references (to production products)? I couldn't find any STH brand.
- sliken 4y agoJust look for the small router/switch looking pics with 4 or 6 ports on the front: https://www.servethehome.com/category/networking/ https://www.servethehome.com/category/networking/ They review half a dozen of them or so. Most with the N4000, N5000, and N6000 under $200.
- easygenes 4y agoSpecifically, here's their review of a couple of N5105 based ones (which are probably the most sensible choice for most applications). [1][2] TLDR: KingNovy and Topton from AliExpress are pretty good and going barebones is a better deal. 1: https://www.servethehome.com/two-fanless-intel-celeron-n5105-4x-2-5gbe-options-reviewed/ 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUuaAPG0PxU
- teraflop 4y agoI don't really understand why that means the Odroid-H3 is a "tough sell", though. It's quite a bit cheaper than both of the boards mentioned in that review, even after you add a case and power supply.
- easygenes 4y agoI've found several 4-port N5105 systems (which are barebones, so BYO DDR4 and NVMe at about $100 add'l for 2x8GB and 512GB) for around $145 [1] shipped on Aliexpress. I also found a Core i3-1115G4 based one for $195 shipped [2], which I've personally decided to order. The i3-1115G4 is nearly twice as fast as the N5105 [3] and this is the first I've seen something with it available for less than $300. The iGPU is excellent for the price point too [4]. So comparing the N5105 system linked vs the Odroid-H3+, you save about $40 AND get a case with enough thermal mass to passively cool it AND two more 2.5Gbe ports. 1: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004225099067.html 2: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004514115494.html 3: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/3877vs4412/Intel-i3-1115G4-vs-Intel-Celeron-N5105 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox06ZbPhhQA
- FloatArtifact 4y agoI wish they would have up to eight at 6 to 8 SATA ports. Then it could be a proper nass.
- toast0 4y agoI've seen some pci-e m.2 5x sata boards. That would get you to 7 ports. You can boot from emmc (i assume) if you don't want to boot from your array.
- nuker 4y agoI use such board, chip is JMB582. You need custom heatsink on it, but it works. And yes, boots from eMMC.
- ccakes 4y agohttps://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-h2/application_note/10_sata_drives https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-h2/application_note/10_sata_d... Refers to the H2 so unsure if it also applies to the H3.
- eneumann 4y agoWord of caution to anyone thinking of using this for pfsense: the realtek 2.5G drivers are not included in the pfsense image and have to be installed manually. A real pain if you don't have easy access to another freebsd machine.
- nuker 4y agoShould work in OPNsense
- smcleod 4y agoIn my experience Realtek network cards often leave a lot to be desired when used in a routing / firewalling / always on environment. I specifically make sure NICs are Intel based when configuring systems.
- bubblethink 4y agoFor the 2.5 Gbe NICs, apparently the Intel ones were also shit. They went through four revisions of I225-V to fix some issues. The latest intel one is I226-V which incorporates the previous fixes.
- aborsy 4y agoHow long that eMMC is expected to last as a Linux OS drive, with typical use for such SBC? There is a similarish SBC called Zimaboard https://shop.zimaboard.com/collections/diyyourrouter/products/zimaboard-single-board-server-for-creators-8g-32gb-linux-windows-openwrt-pfsense-andorid-libreelec-development-board-low-cost-hackable-single-board-server?variant=39283928465606 https://shop.zimaboard.com/collections/diyyourrouter/product... How does it compare with the 832 model (N3450, 8GB RAM, 2X 1GB Ethernet, 2 Sata ports, PCIe 4x slot).
- mixmix 4y agoHardkernel folks make some pretty amazing products. My home server is built on top of Odroid-HC2 coupled with a 3.5” HDD, and I feel that was some of the best $70 I ever spent. The whole thing is tiny, fanless, and it only consumes 2 Wh on average. I only wish it had hardware video encoding capabilities.
- newman314 4y agoStill looking for a NUC sized device with dual 10G NICs capable of running ESXi. Would be a nice config for the next homelab.
- ranger_danger 4y agohttp://macchiatobin.net/product/macchiatobin-double-shot/ http://macchiatobin.net/product/macchiatobin-double-shot/
- mekster 4y agoJust got one delivered. I was planning to use Raspberry Pi (which is badly low on stock these days) as my home router with various docker images running but when I figured not all docker images support Arm architecture, I went to look for x86 equivalent and this looked just like what I wanted having dual ethernet not having have to have USB ethernet added which is quite rare. I had to use DisplayPort instead of HDMI to get the display working and had to use a third party dkms module for officially sold USB Wifi dongle for Ubuntu 22.04 but otherwise it seems to be running good without a gotcha at about 50c or so without a fan. It costed about $300 including shipping but considering I can get rid of a cloud server that keeps costing me, it'll even out soon enough. Geekbench gave about 700 single core score which isn't bad for a device that can sit on a palm and having installed Nvme SSD, the disk speed can be quite fast.
- bestouff 4y agoIS this thing able to be used as a Kodi box and decode all modern codec (HDR+UltraSuperDuper) ?
- SergeAx 4y agoAbout two years ago I bought Lenovo M715 for my mom for about 300 USD. It included 8 GB RAM, 250 GB SSD, case, mouse and keyboard.l, not to mention support and warranty. Its' AMD 2200G CPU is 20% better in CPU Mark test.