> The implication that you cannot have an industrious society without a level of corruption is not supported by your argument (nor any I have heard of). I’m no

> The implication that you cannot have an industrious society without a level of corruption is not supported by your argument (nor any I have heard of). I’m not exactly sure what you’re saying here, but corruption does exist everywhere. It’s just a question of how pervasive it is, how much it’s actually enshrined in law, etc. (E.g. campaign finance laws in the US essentially legalize corruption, which could perhaps be argued to be like decriminalizing drugs in order to better control them, although whether that’s the actual intent is debatable.) The Corruption Perception Index and the Global Corruption Index might help get a sense of this. As is typical with such lists, the top performers (last corrupt) tend to be countries with smaller populations. With bigger populations, the risk and incidence of corruption increases. https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021 https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021 https://risk-indexes.com/global-corruption-index/ https://risk-indexes.com/global-corruption-index/