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I beg to differ. Self driving cars are unlikely to make it to the West but the outlook for the East (China) is totally different. In the West there are economi

I beg to differ. Self driving cars are unlikely to make it to the West but the outlook for the East (China) is totally different. In the West there are economic woes that will make the dream of everyone having 2.2 Teslas in the driveway not happen. There is no getting around this, the West is in a bit of a pickle. Meanwhile, in China they have an entirely different way of achieving self driving. That is to put 5G (6,7 or 8...) on everything. Therefore, when you approach a junction, the 5G gadgets at that junction with their all seeing eyes and ability to communicate with vehicles just tells your car where to go and when. By the magic of 5G it will also know what the deal is at the next point of decision, so your car can arrive for when the lights are green and you can be on your merry way. The sensors on the car can do the lane keeping assist and slam on the anchors should an unexpected object appear on the highway. There are aspects to this approach that are un-American. So it is not going to happen, even if a magic wand magically fixes economic woes that are far too structural for America to fix. You could say that the Chinese approach is not 'self driving' but 'networked driving'. But what is the big deal if your car whisks you off from A to B without having to touch the wheel?

rippercushions 4y ago
Do you have any pointers to this actually happening, or is this just your prediction? FWIW, I would not start with China if I was looking for an easy place to test self-driving cars. There's plenty of crazy drivers, remarkably heterogenous vehicles on the road including suicidal cyclists and all sorts of weird three-wheeled moped-scooter-truck things, signage is inconsistent and missing, road quality is widely variable, traffic jams can be epic, the list goes on and on.
Melting_Harps 4y ago
> You could say that the Chinese approach is not 'self driving' but 'networked driving'. But what is the big deal if your car whisks you off from A to B without having to touch the wheel? Would this before or after they've locked everyone under indefinite COVID detention, err... quarantine? Even if this were the way they justify the massive panopticon, there would be so few people that would benefit from this tech that one has to ask what was gained from doing so? The way QR codes made it's way to China isn't entirely just weibo or wechat alone, Xianjing relies on them as does all the AI facial recognition tech and is the very definition of an Authoritarian police-state and if that is what it 'takes' to get to mas adoption of Surveillance Tech than I think we are better off. Public transportation mixed wit WFH solutions seem far more favourable.
- Theodores 4y ago
  You are right about public transport, as a cyclist I like the Dutch solution. I don't believe you have been to China recently. There is no need to offload your assumptions about what Chinese people have for breakfast or how they put their socks on. This thread was all about self driving cars and they have a different approach to you.
  - Melting_Harps 4y ago
    > I don't believe you have been to China recently. Given they've had a zero Covid-policy, it's safe to say that is the case for so many others as well. > There is no need to offload your assumptions about what Chinese people have for breakfast or how they put their socks on. This thread was all about self driving cars and they have a different approach to you. I think this is what bothers me most about those trying to sell AI solutions to anything and everything, self-driving being the most ubiquitous, is that their is almost no actual self-reflection as to how this will play out. Rather than consider the stark implications of the reality you've laid out, of which there are many, you'd rather go in blindly proclaiming a technical solution is at hand and move headlong towards that end without realizing that for all of that to be a possibility you'd have already established a very dark dystopia, when in reality the goal should be to get as many off the road as possible in order to make any actual headway in curbing GHG emissions and thus climate change. I study AI and ML and the truth is that FSD seems like an unattainable panacea, as in completely autonomous and non-Human guided, as it relies on so many more problems to be solved: including, but not limited to, having complete global connectivity and with 100% coverage and no outages, assuming you don't want to see a massive pileup of cars that temporarily went offline ran a stop/redlight and collided into a building.
    - Theodores 4y ago
      If you haven't been to China then just say so. Since you are a student then why don't you lift a finger and type "china self driving 5g" into your favourite search engine? You might find their approach to solving problems that you claim to be interested in to be quite educational. These fears of yours may be something our Chinese friends might have considered. They might have even developed solutions. Regarding topics of save the earth, climate chaos and emissions, why don't you study what their public policy is and check their track record on previous goals? Negativity and an unwillingness to learn from other cultures is a dystopia that you are already in, judging by your comments. I promise you that you will be a happier person to put the bile aside. Admittedly it is hard to do given state policy in the UK and USA to be positively sinophobic.

rippercushions 4y ago

Do you have any pointers to this actually happening, or is this just your prediction? FWIW, I would not start with China if I was looking for an easy place to test self-driving cars. There's plenty of crazy drivers, remarkably heterogenous vehicles on the road including suicidal cyclists and all sorts of weird three-wheeled moped-scooter-truck things, signage is inconsistent and missing, road quality is widely variable, traffic jams can be epic, the list goes on and on.

Melting_Harps 4y ago

> You could say that the Chinese approach is not 'self driving' but 'networked driving'. But what is the big deal if your car whisks you off from A to B without having to touch the wheel? Would this before or after they've locked everyone under indefinite COVID detention, err... quarantine? Even if this were the way they justify the massive panopticon, there would be so few people that would benefit from this tech that one has to ask what was gained from doing so? The way QR codes made it's way to China isn't entirely just weibo or wechat alone, Xianjing relies on them as does all the AI facial recognition tech and is the very definition of an Authoritarian police-state and if that is what it 'takes' to get to mas adoption of Surveillance Tech than I think we are better off. Public transportation mixed wit WFH solutions seem far more favourable.

Theodores 4y ago
You are right about public transport, as a cyclist I like the Dutch solution. I don't believe you have been to China recently. There is no need to offload your assumptions about what Chinese people have for breakfast or how they put their socks on. This thread was all about self driving cars and they have a different approach to you.
- Melting_Harps 4y ago
  > I don't believe you have been to China recently. Given they've had a zero Covid-policy, it's safe to say that is the case for so many others as well. > There is no need to offload your assumptions about what Chinese people have for breakfast or how they put their socks on. This thread was all about self driving cars and they have a different approach to you. I think this is what bothers me most about those trying to sell AI solutions to anything and everything, self-driving being the most ubiquitous, is that their is almost no actual self-reflection as to how this will play out. Rather than consider the stark implications of the reality you've laid out, of which there are many, you'd rather go in blindly proclaiming a technical solution is at hand and move headlong towards that end without realizing that for all of that to be a possibility you'd have already established a very dark dystopia, when in reality the goal should be to get as many off the road as possible in order to make any actual headway in curbing GHG emissions and thus climate change. I study AI and ML and the truth is that FSD seems like an unattainable panacea, as in completely autonomous and non-Human guided, as it relies on so many more problems to be solved: including, but not limited to, having complete global connectivity and with 100% coverage and no outages, assuming you don't want to see a massive pileup of cars that temporarily went offline ran a stop/redlight and collided into a building.
  - Theodores 4y ago
    If you haven't been to China then just say so. Since you are a student then why don't you lift a finger and type "china self driving 5g" into your favourite search engine? You might find their approach to solving problems that you claim to be interested in to be quite educational. These fears of yours may be something our Chinese friends might have considered. They might have even developed solutions. Regarding topics of save the earth, climate chaos and emissions, why don't you study what their public policy is and check their track record on previous goals? Negativity and an unwillingness to learn from other cultures is a dystopia that you are already in, judging by your comments. I promise you that you will be a happier person to put the bile aside. Admittedly it is hard to do given state policy in the UK and USA to be positively sinophobic.