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fredgrott 4y ago
Define what safety wise and engineering wise things need to be solved to give substance to that claim. Notice we do not have self piloting planes, or train engines ( ah ah, the non manned power units always run coupled to manned train engines)
- Grimburger 4y ago
  > train engines Singapore MRT is completely driverless. Over 200km of track and 120 stations serving a city of five million people, intrigued how you wouldn't deem it fully automated?
  - TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
    London's Victoria Line has been driverless for decades. It's not a hard problem. You solve it by putting linked activators along the track to control the train speed and acceleration. RMT has backup sensors for train position and radio control for emergencies. It's plain old engineering. No AI required. It's a completely different problem to automating a mixed use national high speed rail network which has to deal with a huge range of contingencies.
  - rippercushions 4y ago
    Only the new fully underground lines are driverless. The aboveground North-South and East-West lines, which are also the backbone of the network, have human drivers.
- rco8786 4y ago
  > Notice we do not have self piloting planes, or train engines Wait, what. We absolutely have both of these things.
  - TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
    We don't have self-piloting planes which routinely take off, fly a route, and land. Setting an autopilot for a route is relatively trivial. Auto-landing in heavy crosswinds or landing on water because of an emergency isn't.
    - cameronh90 4y ago
      Not take off, but we do have many planes which routinely fly a route and land. It depends on the airline and route, but some airlines now have changed their standard company procedure to engage autopilot as soon as you're about 400ft off the ground all the way through to autoland. Some airlines only use autoland when the landing is too difficult for the pilot due to poor visibility (though as you say, high crosswinds usually mean a manual landing). On top of that, autoland is very old technology - ILS is from the 30s and autoland not much later. We don't have automatic taxiing or take off in any common airplanes yet. This phase involves a lot of ATC back/forth so it doesn't really make sense at the moment, but there are some changes coming to ATC and transponders which might make this more feasible in the medium term.
- seanhunter 4y ago
  Docklands light railway in London is completely driverless

Yet.

Define what safety wise and engineering wise things need to be solved to give substance to that claim. Notice we do not have self piloting planes, or train engines ( ah ah, the non manned power units always run coupled to manned train engines)

Grimburger 4y ago
> train engines Singapore MRT is completely driverless. Over 200km of track and 120 stations serving a city of five million people, intrigued how you wouldn't deem it fully automated?
- TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
  London's Victoria Line has been driverless for decades. It's not a hard problem. You solve it by putting linked activators along the track to control the train speed and acceleration. RMT has backup sensors for train position and radio control for emergencies. It's plain old engineering. No AI required. It's a completely different problem to automating a mixed use national high speed rail network which has to deal with a huge range of contingencies.
- rippercushions 4y ago
  Only the new fully underground lines are driverless. The aboveground North-South and East-West lines, which are also the backbone of the network, have human drivers.
rco8786 4y ago
> Notice we do not have self piloting planes, or train engines Wait, what. We absolutely have both of these things.
- TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
  We don't have self-piloting planes which routinely take off, fly a route, and land. Setting an autopilot for a route is relatively trivial. Auto-landing in heavy crosswinds or landing on water because of an emergency isn't.
  - cameronh90 4y ago
    Not take off, but we do have many planes which routinely fly a route and land. It depends on the airline and route, but some airlines now have changed their standard company procedure to engage autopilot as soon as you're about 400ft off the ground all the way through to autoland. Some airlines only use autoland when the landing is too difficult for the pilot due to poor visibility (though as you say, high crosswinds usually mean a manual landing). On top of that, autoland is very old technology - ILS is from the 30s and autoland not much later. We don't have automatic taxiing or take off in any common airplanes yet. This phase involves a lot of ATC back/forth so it doesn't really make sense at the moment, but there are some changes coming to ATC and transponders which might make this more feasible in the medium term.
seanhunter 4y ago
Docklands light railway in London is completely driverless