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> Yes that sentence was definitely about the fossil fuel bit and not the land use of cattle vs other protein sources. You directed it generally. Now you're ups

> Yes that sentence was definitely about the fossil fuel bit and not the land use of cattle vs other protein sources. You directed it generally. Now you're upset that I replied to what you wrote. > Try a piece of intellectual honesty. How much human edible protein can be produced on an acre of land being used for corn and soy cow feed? Now how much on the same land with the same fertiliser input with a combination of plants and free range chickens? How much even if you sacrifice some yield to use organic methods? I don't know the numbers. Chicken is a very cheap source of protein, much cheaper than a huge range of plant based protein actually. Are we moving the bar for sinning to "thou shalt not consume any plant protein more expensive than chicken"? How about bugs? You have to kill them to eat them, right? Or does the holy book have some kind of complicated sin taxonomy here? > And almost all of those countries have laws specifically criminalising whistleblowing or documenting violations or turns the burden of proof for libel onto the defendant. Here's one that criminalises having footage. That does not support your false claim that these countries do not have basic animal right or environmental regulation though.

Schroedingersat 4y ago
> You directed it generally. Now you're upset that I replied to what you wrote. More dishonesty. > I don't know the numbers. Chicken is a very cheap source of protein, much cheaper than a huge range of plant based protein actually. Are we moving the bar for sinning to "thou shalt not consume any plant protein more expensive than chicken"? How about bugs? You have to kill them to eat them, right? Or does the holy book have some kind of complicated sin taxonomy here? Yes. That's the entire point. Grain fed factory cattle farming is cruel and unsustainable. Option two is much less cruel and can be done for the same cost with solar derived hydrogen and takes a fraction of the land. There are organic methods that would see the same yield as option two with a slightly larger fraction of the land and would do less damage to the soil. > That does not support your false claim that these countries do not have basic animal right or environmental regulation though. A law that is never enforced and which whistleblowing of is criminalised is not holding anyone to any standard. I never claimed there was no law. I correctly claimed that farms were not held to account.
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  > More dishonesty. Reality says otherwise, check the thread. > Yes. That's the entire point. So we're back here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33368082 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33368082 Do you admit you choose to inflict pain and suffering and death on animals for your own comfort, as you condemn others for doing the same? > A law that is never enforced Source on the wild conspiratorial claim that environmental and animal rights laws are never enforced? Don't make me google a counter example that proves you wrong for the nth time.

Schroedingersat 4y ago

> You directed it generally. Now you're upset that I replied to what you wrote. More dishonesty. > I don't know the numbers. Chicken is a very cheap source of protein, much cheaper than a huge range of plant based protein actually. Are we moving the bar for sinning to "thou shalt not consume any plant protein more expensive than chicken"? How about bugs? You have to kill them to eat them, right? Or does the holy book have some kind of complicated sin taxonomy here? Yes. That's the entire point. Grain fed factory cattle farming is cruel and unsustainable. Option two is much less cruel and can be done for the same cost with solar derived hydrogen and takes a fraction of the land. There are organic methods that would see the same yield as option two with a slightly larger fraction of the land and would do less damage to the soil. > That does not support your false claim that these countries do not have basic animal right or environmental regulation though. A law that is never enforced and which whistleblowing of is criminalised is not holding anyone to any standard. I never claimed there was no law. I correctly claimed that farms were not held to account.

throwawaylinux 4y ago
> More dishonesty. Reality says otherwise, check the thread. > Yes. That's the entire point. So we're back here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33368082 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33368082 Do you admit you choose to inflict pain and suffering and death on animals for your own comfort, as you condemn others for doing the same? > A law that is never enforced Source on the wild conspiratorial claim that environmental and animal rights laws are never enforced? Don't make me google a counter example that proves you wrong for the nth time.