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> There is a difference between malice directed towards MegaUpload and (willful) negligence. It's a difference that doesn't matter in the slightest. The organ

> There is a difference between malice directed towards MegaUpload and (willful) negligence. It's a difference that doesn't matter in the slightest. The organization is acting illegally, and people are rightfully angry about that. Who cares if someone's twirling their mustache? And why would a stereotypical corporate villain be worse than a system that is set up to screw people with the least resistance possible? It makes no difference whatsoever - only the outcome does. edit: and I have to say that your insistence that people leave the legal stuff out of this, because you didn't explicitly mention it, is laughable. You realize that the DMCA is a law, right? And that this article is about a legal matter?

pyre 15y ago
> It's a difference that doesn't matter in the slightest. In a courtroom, maybe. I'm drawing a distinction here because of the propensity of people to create elaborate narratives. "UMG is censoring MegaUpload in a deliberate attempt to silence them. This is no different than a mobster trying to silence a witness!" > The organization is acting illegally, and people are > rightfully angry about that. If 'illegal' was as binary as you want to imply, then all penalties would be exactly the same. > You realize that the DMCA is a law, right? ... and HN is a court room, apparently. Are you going to hold me in contempt of court because I don't agree with you? Especially when the article itself has quotes like this: > “Dirty tricks in an effort to stop our massively successful > viral campaign.” This statement implies that UMG was making a deliberate effort to shut down MegaUpload's campaign.
- chairface 15y ago
  > If 'illegal' was as binary as you want to imply, then all penalties would be exactly the same What a ridiculous statement, which bears absolutely no relation to what I said. > This statement implies that UMG was making a deliberate effort to shut down MegaUpload's campaign ... That's because DMCA takedown notices require deliberate effort. Are you being intentionally obtuse?
  - pyre 15y ago
    > That's because DMCA takedown notices require deliberate > effort. Are you being intentionally obtuse? You've translated: > A DMCA take-down notice requires a statement under > penalty of perjury that the issuer has a good-faith > reason to believe that they are the owner of the > copyright in question. Into meaning that the following two statements are equivalent: I want to take down this video because I want to stop MegaUpload's viral campaign because it could be damaging to my bottom line. and This video has the name 'Snoop Dogg' in it so I'll send a take-down notice because I might own the copyrights to this, and I'm too lazy/over-worked to be bothered to check. You say that the above statements are equivalent because the end result is the same (a video is wrongfully and illegally taken down). If that is true, then you have to accept that nothing that you do in your life matters because you'll only end up dead. The end result is exactly the same.
    - chairface 15y ago
      More ridiculous drivel. The "end result" of my life will be substantially different, depending on how I affect the people around me. Do you have anything to say that's even slightly true?

pyre 15y ago

> It's a difference that doesn't matter in the slightest. In a courtroom, maybe. I'm drawing a distinction here because of the propensity of people to create elaborate narratives. "UMG is censoring MegaUpload in a deliberate attempt to silence them. This is no different than a mobster trying to silence a witness!" > The organization is acting illegally, and people are > rightfully angry about that. If 'illegal' was as binary as you want to imply, then all penalties would be exactly the same. > You realize that the DMCA is a law, right? ... and HN is a court room, apparently. Are you going to hold me in contempt of court because I don't agree with you? Especially when the article itself has quotes like this: > “Dirty tricks in an effort to stop our massively successful > viral campaign.” This statement implies that UMG was making a deliberate effort to shut down MegaUpload's campaign.

chairface 15y ago
> If 'illegal' was as binary as you want to imply, then all penalties would be exactly the same What a ridiculous statement, which bears absolutely no relation to what I said. > This statement implies that UMG was making a deliberate effort to shut down MegaUpload's campaign ... That's because DMCA takedown notices require deliberate effort. Are you being intentionally obtuse?
- pyre 15y ago
  > That's because DMCA takedown notices require deliberate > effort. Are you being intentionally obtuse? You've translated: > A DMCA take-down notice requires a statement under > penalty of perjury that the issuer has a good-faith > reason to believe that they are the owner of the > copyright in question. Into meaning that the following two statements are equivalent: I want to take down this video because I want to stop MegaUpload's viral campaign because it could be damaging to my bottom line. and This video has the name 'Snoop Dogg' in it so I'll send a take-down notice because I might own the copyrights to this, and I'm too lazy/over-worked to be bothered to check. You say that the above statements are equivalent because the end result is the same (a video is wrongfully and illegally taken down). If that is true, then you have to accept that nothing that you do in your life matters because you'll only end up dead. The end result is exactly the same.
  - chairface 15y ago
    More ridiculous drivel. The "end result" of my life will be substantially different, depending on how I affect the people around me. Do you have anything to say that's even slightly true?