GMail manages to implement a pretty complicated app without Javascript (their simple HTML mode) and it works just fine, on anything other than my gaming PC it's

GMail manages to implement a pretty complicated app without Javascript (their simple HTML mode) and it works just fine, on anything other than my gaming PC it's faster to use and I prefer it. And we are comparing it to Gmail itself, one of the few Javascript apps actually created by people in possession of some engineering sensibility. Most "webapps" (e.g. almost every bank or brokerage I use, or mint/tax tools/...) are more simple yet are bloated, slow, buggy atrocities. Especially Chase Bank, I say it without exaggeration is that if I was making a hiring decision for one of the developers of that site and the only alternative they had was to slowly starve to death, I would still not hire them. As someone whose first fun tech job was writing complicated (B2B) Javascript apps in the days when prototype.js was cool new tech and you still had to support IE6, I've come to regret that Javascript even exists, and I'd personally love for web scripting to be made illegal. If your thing is more complicated than GMail, write a native app. </rant>