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The idea itself is sound and reasonable. If you let people built wherever you'll find yourself out of arable land in an instant. What seems overly complex and

The idea itself is sound and reasonable. If you let people built wherever you'll find yourself out of arable land in an instant. What seems overly complex and inefficient is the amount of permissions and the subpermissions. Even to my German bueorcracy adjusted ears this sounds like a great way to extract bribes and fees. At least the process here is quite clear (but not always fast)

kragen 4y ago
This does not seem sound and reasonable. Yes, India has been civilized for 5000 years, with the result that it's very densely populated; but "very densely populated" is only 418 people per square kilometer, less than twice Germany's 232. 53% of India's land area is arable land: 790 people per square kilometer of arable land, or 1270 square meters of arable land per person. I feel like 100 square meters of factory area per person is more than adequate, which would decrease the arable land by some 8% if you built it all on previously cultivated fields, rather than mountains or forests or deserts (or polders!); but that assumes you're employing the entire population in the factories. Some factories do have lower density than that; for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUMMI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUMMI was 370 acres (150 hectares in modern units) and employed 5500 people at its closure in 02006. This works out to 270 square meters per worker. But now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Fremont_Factory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Fremont_Factory occupies that space and some additional (175 hectares total) and employs 22000 people, 80 square meters per person, despite extensive automation. If some of those factories are producing fertilizers, tractors, irrigation equipment, and food products, converting some fields into factories might actually increase your agricultural production rather than decreasing it. Germany harvests 7 tonnes of cereals per hectare that's planted in cereals; India, despite being tropical, harvests only 3.3: https://tradingeconomics.com/india/cereal-yield-kg-per-hectare-wb-data.html https://tradingeconomics.com/india/cereal-yield-kg-per-hecta... Allocating scarce resources like land by means of capitalism is maybe not ideal unless you can make more of them (polders!), but it does seem to work better than allocating them by bureaucracy and laws.
- throwaway2037 4y ago
  Population density of Nederlands: >500 people/sq.km.
  - kragen 4y ago
    See, with industrialization you can support higher population densities than India can.

kragen 4y ago

This does not seem sound and reasonable. Yes, India has been civilized for 5000 years, with the result that it's very densely populated; but "very densely populated" is only 418 people per square kilometer, less than twice Germany's 232. 53% of India's land area is arable land: 790 people per square kilometer of arable land, or 1270 square meters of arable land per person. I feel like 100 square meters of factory area per person is more than adequate, which would decrease the arable land by some 8% if you built it all on previously cultivated fields, rather than mountains or forests or deserts (or polders!); but that assumes you're employing the entire population in the factories. Some factories do have lower density than that; for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUMMI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUMMI was 370 acres (150 hectares in modern units) and employed 5500 people at its closure in 02006. This works out to 270 square meters per worker. But now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Fremont_Factory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Fremont_Factory occupies that space and some additional (175 hectares total) and employs 22000 people, 80 square meters per person, despite extensive automation. If some of those factories are producing fertilizers, tractors, irrigation equipment, and food products, converting some fields into factories might actually increase your agricultural production rather than decreasing it. Germany harvests 7 tonnes of cereals per hectare that's planted in cereals; India, despite being tropical, harvests only 3.3: https://tradingeconomics.com/india/cereal-yield-kg-per-hectare-wb-data.html https://tradingeconomics.com/india/cereal-yield-kg-per-hecta... Allocating scarce resources like land by means of capitalism is maybe not ideal unless you can make more of them (polders!), but it does seem to work better than allocating them by bureaucracy and laws.

throwaway2037 4y ago
Population density of Nederlands: >500 people/sq.km.
- kragen 4y ago
  See, with industrialization you can support higher population densities than India can.