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well, by defintion you are possible wrong. The definition of terrorism: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pur

well, by defintion you are possible wrong. The definition of terrorism: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. The definition of violence isnt so easy, because its not just physical right? So to destroy the human heritage is in my opinion a violence. A violence against the european and world history. The most sad part on that is that the countries which are more cooperative and sensible to the cause are those suffering more. China, India, US won't change their plans because Hans and Melanie destroyed a Monet.

uxcolumbo 4y ago
I think most people would agree that violence includes force to harm someone. The paintings were behind protective glass and the demonstrators knew about it. I would say the way allow this system to destroy our biosphere and create a miserable future for future generations - that could be classed as terrorism.
- pelasaco 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_cultural_heritage_by_the_Islamic_State https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_cultural_herita...
  - uxcolumbo 4y ago
    Would you mind adding a few more words to explain how the destruction of cultural heritage by the Islamic State relates to climate activism?
    - pelasaco 4y ago
      - uxcolumbo 4y ago
        You're still not explaining how 2 teenagers throwing tomato soup on a painting protected by glass is the same as the Islamic State blowing up ancient buildings. One group trying to raise awareness about the climate crisis, which is a threat to human civilization as we know it. The other group uses explosives that kills people.
        pelasaco 4y ago
        well flagging the comments, because you dont like it, is not a way to keep a discussion.
        uxcolumbo 4y ago
        I didn't. Accusing me of flagging your comment is also not a way to keep a discussion. But I still like to hear why you think those teenagers who carried out a non-violent civil disobedience protest is the same as the Islamic State destroying ancient buildings and killing people.
        pelasaco 4y ago
        > Islamic State destroying ancient buildings and killing people. You added "killing people" to the statement because...? You are being lazy tbh or not just occasional hypocrite. If you cannot create a link between "destroying human heritage" and "for a policial cause", I don't think we have much to keep discussing here. Yes until now the "attacks" were harmless but it is escalating. They will increase the damage otherwise they dont get the attention that they want[1]. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/kenney-suzuki-climate-change-1.6260987 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/kenney-suzuki-climate...
        uxcolumbo 4y ago
        > You added "killing people" to the statement because Because it's a fact that is relevant for this discussion. IS have not only destroyed ancient buildings, but they have also killed thousands of people. IS is a terrorist organization [0] Please explain how mentioning that fact is hypocritical or lazy? You are equating climate activists with a terrorist organization. Have climate activists killed thousands of people? And FYI - the climate activists have not destroyed the paintings. The paintings were protected by glass. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_linked_to_the_Islamic_State https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_li...
kennywinker 4y ago
> The most sad part on that is that the countries which are more cooperative and sensible to the cause are those suffering more Do you believe that? Do you believe that the suffering of losing a monet is in any way equal to the environmental devastation india, china, and the US have experienced at the hands of climate change? Let’s not forget the monet is perfectly fine. Do you believe because europe outsources its emissions and then consumes the products of those emissions it’s being more “cooperative and sensible”? Because i don’t.

uxcolumbo 4y ago

I think most people would agree that violence includes force to harm someone. The paintings were behind protective glass and the demonstrators knew about it. I would say the way allow this system to destroy our biosphere and create a miserable future for future generations - that could be classed as terrorism.

pelasaco 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_cultural_heritage_by_the_Islamic_State https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_cultural_herita...
- uxcolumbo 4y ago
  Would you mind adding a few more words to explain how the destruction of cultural heritage by the Islamic State relates to climate activism?
  - pelasaco 4y ago
    - uxcolumbo 4y ago
      You're still not explaining how 2 teenagers throwing tomato soup on a painting protected by glass is the same as the Islamic State blowing up ancient buildings. One group trying to raise awareness about the climate crisis, which is a threat to human civilization as we know it. The other group uses explosives that kills people.
      - pelasaco 4y ago
        well flagging the comments, because you dont like it, is not a way to keep a discussion.
        uxcolumbo 4y ago
        I didn't. Accusing me of flagging your comment is also not a way to keep a discussion. But I still like to hear why you think those teenagers who carried out a non-violent civil disobedience protest is the same as the Islamic State destroying ancient buildings and killing people.
        pelasaco 4y ago
        > Islamic State destroying ancient buildings and killing people. You added "killing people" to the statement because...? You are being lazy tbh or not just occasional hypocrite. If you cannot create a link between "destroying human heritage" and "for a policial cause", I don't think we have much to keep discussing here. Yes until now the "attacks" were harmless but it is escalating. They will increase the damage otherwise they dont get the attention that they want[1]. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/kenney-suzuki-climate-change-1.6260987 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/kenney-suzuki-climate...
        uxcolumbo 4y ago
        > You added "killing people" to the statement because Because it's a fact that is relevant for this discussion. IS have not only destroyed ancient buildings, but they have also killed thousands of people. IS is a terrorist organization [0] Please explain how mentioning that fact is hypocritical or lazy? You are equating climate activists with a terrorist organization. Have climate activists killed thousands of people? And FYI - the climate activists have not destroyed the paintings. The paintings were protected by glass. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_linked_to_the_Islamic_State https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_li...

kennywinker 4y ago

> The most sad part on that is that the countries which are more cooperative and sensible to the cause are those suffering more Do you believe that? Do you believe that the suffering of losing a monet is in any way equal to the environmental devastation india, china, and the US have experienced at the hands of climate change? Let’s not forget the monet is perfectly fine. Do you believe because europe outsources its emissions and then consumes the products of those emissions it’s being more “cooperative and sensible”? Because i don’t.