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Wow the Security research device looks awesome! https://security.apple.com/research-device https://security.apple.com/research-device

ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
They discussed that, at one of the latest dub-dubs. I think last year. It's basically an "officially cracked" iPhone.
klabb3 4y ago
Looking at the list of approved countries. Israel not present. Probably because of NSO. Quite hilarious.
- LegitShady 4y ago
  they made their own
- melony 4y ago
  I find it funny that most of the true cyber powers are left off the list but India is considered to be “safe choice”. India may be poor but it is hardly lacking in engineering prowess. Apple’s own employees are a testament to that.
  - paxys 4y ago
    This isn't really about skill. I imagine they want to only include countries that aren't big on cyber warfare.
    - bawolff 4y ago
      Well they left USA on the list.
      - blululu 4y ago
        The laws around US citizens hacking the computers of US companies are straightforward and easily applied.
        bawolff 4y ago
        Right, but we aren't talking about private citizens but nation state actors with an interest in cyberwar capabilities. USA is probably near the top of that list.
        throwaway371057 4y ago
        It's kind of a lost cause when the government could just directly compromise Apple itself though? Maybe they are also fine with helping their own country's cyberwar abilities.
- bawolff 4y ago
  I wonder what the selection criteria was. For example mexico is also not on the list
  - rtev 4y ago
    Mexico also abused Pegasus, right? I wonder if any national governments that are affiliated with NSO are restricted.
    - onedognight 4y ago
      Mexico used their government licensed NSO tools to target the children of activists working to pass a sugar sweetened beverage tax. https://deibert.citizenlab.ca/2017/02/mexico-nso-group-and-the-soda-tax/ https://deibert.citizenlab.ca/2017/02/mexico-nso-group-and-t...
    - bawolff 4y ago
      If you look at the list at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_Project_(investigation)#Regions_and_targets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_Project_(investigation... it seems like most of the countries that used pegasus are still on the allowed list, many of them much more extensively users than mexico was. I really dont think nso group client is the pattern.
      - arihant 4y ago
        You're right. Main political opposition in India was affected with Pegasus and it is part of this program. I think this has more to do with the level of Apple's presence in a country/jurisdiction and their ability to retrieve the device back in case of misuse.
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blinkingled 4y ago
Yeah pretty ballsy move! (Android being always like this does put a bit of damper on it - shell, running tools, custom kernels yeah all of that ;)
throwaway290 4y ago
Making a separate, 'researcher-friendly' device that is easier to own "without having to bypass its security features" on the surface seems so incredibly in line with Apple's general ethic yet so counter-productive in this particular context...

ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago

They discussed that, at one of the latest dub-dubs. I think last year. It's basically an "officially cracked" iPhone.

klabb3 4y ago

Looking at the list of approved countries. Israel not present. Probably because of NSO. Quite hilarious.

LegitShady 4y ago
they made their own
melony 4y ago
I find it funny that most of the true cyber powers are left off the list but India is considered to be “safe choice”. India may be poor but it is hardly lacking in engineering prowess. Apple’s own employees are a testament to that.
- paxys 4y ago
  This isn't really about skill. I imagine they want to only include countries that aren't big on cyber warfare.
  - bawolff 4y ago
    Well they left USA on the list.
    - blululu 4y ago
      The laws around US citizens hacking the computers of US companies are straightforward and easily applied.
      - bawolff 4y ago
        Right, but we aren't talking about private citizens but nation state actors with an interest in cyberwar capabilities. USA is probably near the top of that list.
        throwaway371057 4y ago
        It's kind of a lost cause when the government could just directly compromise Apple itself though? Maybe they are also fine with helping their own country's cyberwar abilities.
bawolff 4y ago
I wonder what the selection criteria was. For example mexico is also not on the list
- rtev 4y ago
  Mexico also abused Pegasus, right? I wonder if any national governments that are affiliated with NSO are restricted.
  - onedognight 4y ago
    Mexico used their government licensed NSO tools to target the children of activists working to pass a sugar sweetened beverage tax. https://deibert.citizenlab.ca/2017/02/mexico-nso-group-and-the-soda-tax/ https://deibert.citizenlab.ca/2017/02/mexico-nso-group-and-t...
  - bawolff 4y ago
    If you look at the list at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_Project_(investigation)#Regions_and_targets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_Project_(investigation... it seems like most of the countries that used pegasus are still on the allowed list, many of them much more extensively users than mexico was. I really dont think nso group client is the pattern.
    - arihant 4y ago
      You're right. Main political opposition in India was affected with Pegasus and it is part of this program. I think this has more to do with the level of Apple's presence in a country/jurisdiction and their ability to retrieve the device back in case of misuse.
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blinkingled 4y ago

Yeah pretty ballsy move! (Android being always like this does put a bit of damper on it - shell, running tools, custom kernels yeah all of that ;)

throwaway290 4y ago

Making a separate, 'researcher-friendly' device that is easier to own "without having to bypass its security features" on the surface seems so incredibly in line with Apple's general ethic yet so counter-productive in this particular context...