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Isn’t that unethical though? Preserving the right to make arbitrary decisions and favor some people over others? Most of the entire human history of conflict se

by np- 4y ago

Isn’t that unethical though? Preserving the right to make arbitrary decisions and favor some people over others? Most of the entire human history of conflict seems to be because of this reason of arbitrary unfairness.

lazide 4y ago
That isn't ethics, IMO. What you're referring to is the application of power, and their retention of arbitrary power, specifically. Ethics is if they used that power for abuse or an unethical goal, or to acquire an even larger amount of arbitrary power. Pragmatically, it's their app store, and they need to retain a non-trivial amount of power to police it. It's a requirement of ownership. If they don't do so, it will devolve to an even worse garbage dump, and rather quickly. We're of course going to complain about inexplicable rulings, things we don't agree with, etc. but that doesn't change the equation unless they get so obnoxious that other places are more attractive or it violates some law.
- radu_floricica 4y ago
  Isn't that just ethics at a higher level? If their goal is to create the most value in the world with the minimum harm, that's pretty much what they'd be doing - considering their resources are limited. For the one in 100k poor guy who got on the bad side of the AI this seems like a raw deal, but if you tweaked the system to avoid it, you'd probably end up with something 5 times as expensive and 10 times as slow. Queues of weeks to get your app approved kind of slow.
  - lazide 4y ago
    Keep in mind, the behavior we’re seeing doesn’t require AI. All it requires is a bunch of poorly trained employees (contractors?) whacking at buttons after reading a policy which is worded in broad terms.
vbezhenar 4y ago
They's no way they would treat random app equally to Facebook. It's unethical, but it's convenient for them.
unethical_ban 4y ago
To answer your question, no.

by np- 4y ago

lazide 4y ago

That isn't ethics, IMO. What you're referring to is the application of power, and their retention of arbitrary power, specifically. Ethics is if they used that power for abuse or an unethical goal, or to acquire an even larger amount of arbitrary power. Pragmatically, it's their app store, and they need to retain a non-trivial amount of power to police it. It's a requirement of ownership. If they don't do so, it will devolve to an even worse garbage dump, and rather quickly. We're of course going to complain about inexplicable rulings, things we don't agree with, etc. but that doesn't change the equation unless they get so obnoxious that other places are more attractive or it violates some law.

radu_floricica 4y ago
Isn't that just ethics at a higher level? If their goal is to create the most value in the world with the minimum harm, that's pretty much what they'd be doing - considering their resources are limited. For the one in 100k poor guy who got on the bad side of the AI this seems like a raw deal, but if you tweaked the system to avoid it, you'd probably end up with something 5 times as expensive and 10 times as slow. Queues of weeks to get your app approved kind of slow.
- lazide 4y ago
  Keep in mind, the behavior we’re seeing doesn’t require AI. All it requires is a bunch of poorly trained employees (contractors?) whacking at buttons after reading a policy which is worded in broad terms.

vbezhenar 4y ago

They's no way they would treat random app equally to Facebook. It's unethical, but it's convenient for them.

unethical_ban 4y ago

To answer your question, no.