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I'm an eager and early adopter of Deno. I however look forward to ecosystem improvements, and the interop with npm is helpful. I was working on a side project r

I'm an eager and early adopter of Deno. I however look forward to ecosystem improvements, and the interop with npm is helpful. I was working on a side project recently that was a simple CRUD app and I just ended up going with Express on Node after fighting with Oak on Deno for a few days. It was still in the way enough to slow down the rapid fire development process that happens when you're still figuring out an idea.

shafyy 4y ago
I'm also dipping my toes in Deno (with Fresh) for a side project. Just curious, what were the blockers you came across with Oak?
- kitsonk 4y ago
  Yeah, I would be interested to understand what challenges you had with oak too.
JoyrexJ9 4y ago
Yeah NH gives a warped lens on how ready these runtimes & frameworks are for real work. Threads about Deno and Bun pop up almost weekly, yet in my experience they remain a long, LONG way from the stable (and admittedly stale) experience we have with Node and NPM
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- encryptluks2 4y ago
  I don't know that they are made to. Npm packages already do too much, with package.json being used to run scripts that have permission to do nefarious tasks to relying on C libraries. If I were to use Deno it would be with the understanding that I'd need to find dependencies that are generic and standard... Not expect everything from npm to work by default. If I used either I'd specifically look for dependencies that are standard enough to not matter or
  - schemescape 4y ago
    Hopefully it has changed, but when I was using Deno, there wasn’t a standard for TypeScript libraries that worked in both environments (due to Deno requiring file extensions on imports and tsc requiring no file extension on imports). There was a workaround using import maps, but it’s not tenable for large libraries.
- jstummbillig 4y ago
  > Yeah NH gives a warped lens on how ready these runtimes & frameworks are for real work I think it's more that HN is warping reality on how ready they are for real work. We are shaping what is going to happen next in tech, and how quickly, by being eager and ready to give things a try and, in a mix of above average skill and curiosity, being able to make it work at a fairly sophisticated level, despite its current shortcomings.
jcuenod 4y ago
I'm using deno (with oak) for a side project and it's great. I experimented with bun as well, but came back to deno because I got frustrated with bun's segfaulting (this was pretty early after their announcement).

shafyy 4y ago

I'm also dipping my toes in Deno (with Fresh) for a side project. Just curious, what were the blockers you came across with Oak?

kitsonk 4y ago
Yeah, I would be interested to understand what challenges you had with oak too.

JoyrexJ9 4y ago

Yeah NH gives a warped lens on how ready these runtimes & frameworks are for real work. Threads about Deno and Bun pop up almost weekly, yet in my experience they remain a long, LONG way from the stable (and admittedly stale) experience we have with Node and NPM

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encryptluks2 4y ago
I don't know that they are made to. Npm packages already do too much, with package.json being used to run scripts that have permission to do nefarious tasks to relying on C libraries. If I were to use Deno it would be with the understanding that I'd need to find dependencies that are generic and standard... Not expect everything from npm to work by default. If I used either I'd specifically look for dependencies that are standard enough to not matter or
- schemescape 4y ago
  Hopefully it has changed, but when I was using Deno, there wasn’t a standard for TypeScript libraries that worked in both environments (due to Deno requiring file extensions on imports and tsc requiring no file extension on imports). There was a workaround using import maps, but it’s not tenable for large libraries.
jstummbillig 4y ago
> Yeah NH gives a warped lens on how ready these runtimes & frameworks are for real work I think it's more that HN is warping reality on how ready they are for real work. We are shaping what is going to happen next in tech, and how quickly, by being eager and ready to give things a try and, in a mix of above average skill and curiosity, being able to make it work at a fairly sophisticated level, despite its current shortcomings.

jcuenod 4y ago

I'm using deno (with oak) for a side project and it's great. I experimented with bun as well, but came back to deno because I got frustrated with bun's segfaulting (this was pretty early after their announcement).