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Actually the guy who set up Just Stop Oil was interviewed a while back and said it was never about climate but being against the system. Managed to loop a bunch

by gw99 4y ago

Actually the guy who set up Just Stop Oil was interviewed a while back and said it was never about climate but being against the system. Managed to loop a bunch of lunatics into doing his bidding initially. As for Aileen Getty, I'm on the fence. I think she has good intentions but threw money at these morons. As for the morons, while I agree the message is good, the approach does nothing but damage the cause. They recently smashed all the pumps at my local petrol station. All that you end up with is pissed off people who associate the cause with negative people. This is a universally downward spiral.

rnd0 4y ago
>Actually the guy who set up Just Stop Oil Google isn't showing me who that is; the only results I'm getting talk about the Getty heiress. Can you please tell us what that guy's name is and ideally a link to the story you're referring to?
- gw99 4y ago
  Look up Roger Hallam. Tied to XR as well. There’s plenty of people distancing themselves from him now including XR.
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zasdffaa 4y ago
- gw99 4y ago
  Yes you’re not going to get anywhere from inside the system but the system is propped up by a faction of people who have vested interests in making money out of short term thinking. The only solution is to target those people directly and make it too risky to do business which is environmentally reckless.
- junofan 4y ago
  I suggest doing something people want. Or creating something better/easier/cheaper etc. I expect to live.
  - zasdffaa 4y ago
    'something' and 'something'. So you have no actual ideas then. As for living, perhaps you will - do you think you might wish you weren't?
    - Turing_Machine 4y ago
      > So you have no actual ideas then. Gluing your head to a painting cannot possibly be described as an "actual idea".
      - zasdffaa 4y ago
        Turing_Machine 4y ago
        > And you suggest...? I suggest not gluing your head to a painting because it a) does nothing for your cause and b) makes you look like a barbaric fuckwit. > You had a chance to do something Sorry, no one put you in charge of assigning guilt to me. No one put you in charge of anything.
        zasdffaa 4y ago
        Turing_Machine 4y ago
        These people are not "adults". They are children throwing temper tantrums. As are you.
  - 4y ago
- rizzom5000 4y ago
  > But you have nothing better to suggest. What other methods have these people tried that have failed? How do you measure the success of this method in terms of achieving desired results? Is there data that shows traditional marketing is less effective at achieving the particular aim of this cause; whatever that aim is (because I'm not sure). In terms of just spending money to stop climate change; do you have data to show that this method is more effective than spending the money on green energy research or other direct funding? It seems incredibly vague to say that "working within the system doesn't have any effect" but I'd love to see the data that this is more effective than putting ads on TV in terms of actually getting people to support your cause.
  - zasdffaa 4y ago
  - throw827474737 4y ago
    Sorry, if we would be honest, we know that "they" did all you ask for a long time and nothing worked. We would need serious change RIGHT NOW, but we are slamming this planet against a wall. I'm not on their side, I don't think it is good.. but I'm really surprised by the non-empathy of many here.. those folks are kind of panicking for the future and imo radicalization if nothing happens will become much worse - this glueing is also kind of little self-destruction, and in the end still a very peaceful protest. And it least gets them attention. And while I have accepted the fate that future generations (if they are there haha) will hate us for what we have done, or what we have not done, in my lazy chair.. and while I would similarly judge those activists for doing some non-sense.. if I'm honest, I have no clue what they should do better. Resigned, kind of. We all know not much will happen. :( What you do here is really just very top-down distracting rhetoric, imo ;)
- Dma54rhs 4y ago
  There are millions of people around the world pushing the science and technology forward - this is the only way. Thinking you can just change the system on whim is childish as these protesters.

by gw99 4y ago

rnd0 4y ago

>Actually the guy who set up Just Stop Oil Google isn't showing me who that is; the only results I'm getting talk about the Getty heiress. Can you please tell us what that guy's name is and ideally a link to the story you're referring to?

gw99 4y ago
Look up Roger Hallam. Tied to XR as well. There’s plenty of people distancing themselves from him now including XR.
- deleted 4y ago
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zasdffaa 4y ago

gw99 4y ago
Yes you’re not going to get anywhere from inside the system but the system is propped up by a faction of people who have vested interests in making money out of short term thinking. The only solution is to target those people directly and make it too risky to do business which is environmentally reckless.
junofan 4y ago
I suggest doing something people want. Or creating something better/easier/cheaper etc. I expect to live.
- zasdffaa 4y ago
  'something' and 'something'. So you have no actual ideas then. As for living, perhaps you will - do you think you might wish you weren't?
  - Turing_Machine 4y ago
    > So you have no actual ideas then. Gluing your head to a painting cannot possibly be described as an "actual idea".
    - zasdffaa 4y ago
      - Turing_Machine 4y ago
        > And you suggest...? I suggest not gluing your head to a painting because it a) does nothing for your cause and b) makes you look like a barbaric fuckwit. > You had a chance to do something Sorry, no one put you in charge of assigning guilt to me. No one put you in charge of anything.
        zasdffaa 4y ago
        Turing_Machine 4y ago
        These people are not "adults". They are children throwing temper tantrums. As are you.
- 4y ago
rizzom5000 4y ago
> But you have nothing better to suggest. What other methods have these people tried that have failed? How do you measure the success of this method in terms of achieving desired results? Is there data that shows traditional marketing is less effective at achieving the particular aim of this cause; whatever that aim is (because I'm not sure). In terms of just spending money to stop climate change; do you have data to show that this method is more effective than spending the money on green energy research or other direct funding? It seems incredibly vague to say that "working within the system doesn't have any effect" but I'd love to see the data that this is more effective than putting ads on TV in terms of actually getting people to support your cause.
- zasdffaa 4y ago
- throw827474737 4y ago
  Sorry, if we would be honest, we know that "they" did all you ask for a long time and nothing worked. We would need serious change RIGHT NOW, but we are slamming this planet against a wall. I'm not on their side, I don't think it is good.. but I'm really surprised by the non-empathy of many here.. those folks are kind of panicking for the future and imo radicalization if nothing happens will become much worse - this glueing is also kind of little self-destruction, and in the end still a very peaceful protest. And it least gets them attention. And while I have accepted the fate that future generations (if they are there haha) will hate us for what we have done, or what we have not done, in my lazy chair.. and while I would similarly judge those activists for doing some non-sense.. if I'm honest, I have no clue what they should do better. Resigned, kind of. We all know not much will happen. :( What you do here is really just very top-down distracting rhetoric, imo ;)
Dma54rhs 4y ago
There are millions of people around the world pushing the science and technology forward - this is the only way. Thinking you can just change the system on whim is childish as these protesters.