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There are all kinds of people doing serious climate change research, politics, business, etc. Other options certainly do exist. This ridiculous and ineffectiv

by such12 4y ago

There are all kinds of people doing serious climate change research, politics, business, etc. Other options certainly do exist. This ridiculous and ineffective protest only serves to make people fighting climate change look ridiculous. That only hurts the movement. It would be better if these individuals had done nothing at all. Better yet - if they don’t know what to do about climate change, they can do any paying job, and donate their money to someone who does.

r3trohack3r 4y ago
I believe there are two camps in the eco movement. One camp believes humans need to address our impact on the ecosystem. The other believes humans are the problem. You see this split in the movement around extinction. Folks will shame humans for causing an animal to go extinct while simultaneously coming out in opposition to re-introducing extinct animals to their ecosystem through genetic research (I.e the Wholly Mammoth project). I’d sum up the split as: one group wants to do something about it. The other wants humans to “just stop.” Your list of solutions only work for the former group.
- rnd0 4y ago
  and the other group deserve to have no part of the conversation at all.
  - r3trohack3r 4y ago
    FWIW I’m in the “humans are awesome and need to fix this camp” Fortunately we don’t live in a society where we get to dictate who is in the conversation. We have to have conversations with them and spread the good word of humanity. I don’t think many of these people understand our planet is dying regardless of humans. 75% of all life on earth is behind us IIUC. Life has been here for 4Bn years, we have another 500m to 800m left in our carbon cycle before it grinds to a halt. This planet is heading towards a complete extinction event. Unless life manages to colonize other planets, finds a way to artificially maintain the carbon cycle, or replaces the carbon cycle, all life on earth is going to die relatively soon. Humans are our best shot at accomplishing that imo. Life on earth is extremely lucky that we happened when we did. It’s extremely lucky that the industrial revolution happened. It put life on a trajectory to escape our fate, but 500m years isn’t a lot of time to figure this out. I don’t see any other species close enough to figuring that out on these timelines. Stopping the wheel of progress for humans dooms this planet to certain death. Unfortunately there are many calling for that these days.
- such12 4y ago
  > Your list of solutions only work for the former group. I don’t see why this distinction changes anything. Gluing your head to an old painting is ridiculous and counterproductive either way. If someone believes the solution to climate change is either fewer humans, or less human activity, there are certainly constructive actions they could take.
selfhoster11 4y ago
> There are all kinds of people doing serious climate change research, politics, business, etc. Not everyone can be, and not everyone can afford to support, people like this. Donations are great, assuming you actually have any disposable income after paying off the soaring costs of rent, food, and energy bills. The way I see it, we throw stuff at the wall to have a chance of acquiring critical mass for change now, or we can wait until it’s too late and we are guaranteed to hit critical mass because people will start feeling the pain and will want to do something about it.

by such12 4y ago

r3trohack3r 4y ago

I believe there are two camps in the eco movement. One camp believes humans need to address our impact on the ecosystem. The other believes humans are the problem. You see this split in the movement around extinction. Folks will shame humans for causing an animal to go extinct while simultaneously coming out in opposition to re-introducing extinct animals to their ecosystem through genetic research (I.e the Wholly Mammoth project). I’d sum up the split as: one group wants to do something about it. The other wants humans to “just stop.” Your list of solutions only work for the former group.

rnd0 4y ago
and the other group deserve to have no part of the conversation at all.
- r3trohack3r 4y ago
  FWIW I’m in the “humans are awesome and need to fix this camp” Fortunately we don’t live in a society where we get to dictate who is in the conversation. We have to have conversations with them and spread the good word of humanity. I don’t think many of these people understand our planet is dying regardless of humans. 75% of all life on earth is behind us IIUC. Life has been here for 4Bn years, we have another 500m to 800m left in our carbon cycle before it grinds to a halt. This planet is heading towards a complete extinction event. Unless life manages to colonize other planets, finds a way to artificially maintain the carbon cycle, or replaces the carbon cycle, all life on earth is going to die relatively soon. Humans are our best shot at accomplishing that imo. Life on earth is extremely lucky that we happened when we did. It’s extremely lucky that the industrial revolution happened. It put life on a trajectory to escape our fate, but 500m years isn’t a lot of time to figure this out. I don’t see any other species close enough to figuring that out on these timelines. Stopping the wheel of progress for humans dooms this planet to certain death. Unfortunately there are many calling for that these days.
such12 4y ago
> Your list of solutions only work for the former group. I don’t see why this distinction changes anything. Gluing your head to an old painting is ridiculous and counterproductive either way. If someone believes the solution to climate change is either fewer humans, or less human activity, there are certainly constructive actions they could take.

selfhoster11 4y ago

> There are all kinds of people doing serious climate change research, politics, business, etc. Not everyone can be, and not everyone can afford to support, people like this. Donations are great, assuming you actually have any disposable income after paying off the soaring costs of rent, food, and energy bills. The way I see it, we throw stuff at the wall to have a chance of acquiring critical mass for change now, or we can wait until it’s too late and we are guaranteed to hit critical mass because people will start feeling the pain and will want to do something about it.