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EU is issuing biometric passports where are loaded your fingerprints and some EU states started to issue biometric citizen IDs, where are fingerprints stored to

EU is issuing biometric passports where are loaded your fingerprints and some EU states started to issue biometric citizen IDs, where are fingerprints stored too. So it is kind of already going on? Additionally citizen IDs are nothing new, at least in Eastern Europe, where you will get one when you reach 15 years of age.

pfortuny 4y ago
In Spain you get your fingerprints printed when receiving the (essentially compulsory) ID card… And this is seens as “good” and “normal”… Sigh.
franga2000 4y ago
Aren't those stored on the card/passport, not in any central database? They already have your photo printed on them (as well as stored digitally in some cases). I don't really see a difference between a fingerprint reader comparing against the print stored in the ID card and a camera comparing your face to the photo printed on it. Of course there is the case of a rogue terminal surreptitiously saving your fingerprint or photo, but even before we had automated facial recognition at border crossings, you'd still have to hand in your passport to be scanned (to read the MRZ) and stamped, so a rogue terminal could have been saving photos all along.
- TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
  On passport, but also in the database of the department. Thing is that my country government administration sucks and those databases are not shared, so when you will get citizen ID with your fingerprints and photo, then you will go to get your driving license, you will need to get them photo again, because internal affairs department and traffic department does not talk to each other despite the fact, that they have offices in same building.
  - franga2000 4y ago
    Ok yeah, that horrible. In Slovenia, your fingerprints (for biometric passports) are sent along with the print order to the manufacturing facility and then deleted. For all photo IDs (passport, ID card, driver's license, weapon permit), your photo is either scanned and sent along with the order or uploaded to a database that deletes it after 2 weeks. Nothing is ever stored permanently or accessible by anyone other than the people and systems directly involved in getting your document made. * * That is, of course, what the law says. I have no reason to believe "the government" is breaking that law, but no way to verify either. It would probably be discovered and leaked very quickly if they were though.
untech 4y ago
Wait, what are the other options? How do they do identification without IDs in other countries? I heard that you can use driver’s license as an ID in the US, but isn’t it issued based on an actual ID? And not everyone can drive, no matter how auto-centric the US might be.
- whoooooo123 4y ago
  My only government-issued ID in the UK is my passport and my driving license. In theory if I didn't drive or leave the country I wouldn't need an ID at all. Although the crackdown on illegal immigration means that I now need to prove my right to work in the UK whenever I take a new job. I'm not sure how I'd do this if I didn't have a passport.

pfortuny 4y ago

In Spain you get your fingerprints printed when receiving the (essentially compulsory) ID card… And this is seens as “good” and “normal”… Sigh.

franga2000 4y ago

Aren't those stored on the card/passport, not in any central database? They already have your photo printed on them (as well as stored digitally in some cases). I don't really see a difference between a fingerprint reader comparing against the print stored in the ID card and a camera comparing your face to the photo printed on it. Of course there is the case of a rogue terminal surreptitiously saving your fingerprint or photo, but even before we had automated facial recognition at border crossings, you'd still have to hand in your passport to be scanned (to read the MRZ) and stamped, so a rogue terminal could have been saving photos all along.

TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
On passport, but also in the database of the department. Thing is that my country government administration sucks and those databases are not shared, so when you will get citizen ID with your fingerprints and photo, then you will go to get your driving license, you will need to get them photo again, because internal affairs department and traffic department does not talk to each other despite the fact, that they have offices in same building.
- franga2000 4y ago
  Ok yeah, that horrible. In Slovenia, your fingerprints (for biometric passports) are sent along with the print order to the manufacturing facility and then deleted. For all photo IDs (passport, ID card, driver's license, weapon permit), your photo is either scanned and sent along with the order or uploaded to a database that deletes it after 2 weeks. Nothing is ever stored permanently or accessible by anyone other than the people and systems directly involved in getting your document made. * * That is, of course, what the law says. I have no reason to believe "the government" is breaking that law, but no way to verify either. It would probably be discovered and leaked very quickly if they were though.

untech 4y ago

Wait, what are the other options? How do they do identification without IDs in other countries? I heard that you can use driver’s license as an ID in the US, but isn’t it issued based on an actual ID? And not everyone can drive, no matter how auto-centric the US might be.

whoooooo123 4y ago
My only government-issued ID in the UK is my passport and my driving license. In theory if I didn't drive or leave the country I wouldn't need an ID at all. Although the crackdown on illegal immigration means that I now need to prove my right to work in the UK whenever I take a new job. I'm not sure how I'd do this if I didn't have a passport.