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All I expect out of a USB-C cord shipped by apple with my phone is the ability to charge (which is what I get with an iPad, which uses USB-C). I'd love to expec

All I expect out of a USB-C cord shipped by apple with my phone is the ability to charge (which is what I get with an iPad, which uses USB-C). I'd love to expect more, but a Thunderbolt cable is stupidly expensive and not worth including by default. Standardization around the markings and marketing for USB-C cables would be f'ing awesome. But I'll take this win regardless.

scarface74 4y ago
It’s not Apple that you have to worry about not supporting the full spec - they already do with USB C iPads. It’s the Android manufacturers and your local convenience store. Meaning it is still “contributing to ewaste” when you can’t use your old USB C cords to get all of the functionality that is part of the USB C spec. This is yet another example of EU regulators not thinking through their proposals — see also the GDPR whose only consequence is a bunch of cookie pop ups.
- falcolas 4y ago
  I'm sorry, but I don't see how we can lay the blame for corporations cutting corners on completely unrelated legislation. I get that there can be unintended consequences with passed legislation, but these seem too disconnected to be relevant. As in, there have been substandard USB-C cables since USB-C first came out. The existence of those cables can't be laid at the feet of requiring Apple to use USB-C on the one remaining device they offer which doesn't use USB-C.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    > I'm sorry, but I don't see how we can lay the blame for corporations cutting corners on completely unrelated legislation. You mean the same legislation that can enforce USB C can’t enforce a minimum standard for USB C: - must support USB 3 speeds - must support video over USB and a certain minimum standard (this is a standard) - etc?
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    - Ferrotin 4y ago
      You’re already free to buy a phone with those features, without worrying about extra chargers.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        The aim was to “prevent ewaste” by “standardizing cables”. The “standard” that the EU is mandating doesn’t do any of that if an Android user who bought an iPhone can’t use the “standard” cable to its potential.
        Ferrotin 4y ago
        Yes, it does do that.
- lamontcg 4y ago
  > see also the GDPR whose only consequence is a bunch of cookie pop ups. well that's just wrong.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    So exactly what did it accomplish? Did it affect Facebook or Google at all or any adTech company? When ATT was implemented by Apple, many ad tech companies announced it impacted them. You didn’t hear a whisper after the GDPR. Websites just started putting up annoying cookie banners and life continued.
    - falcolas 4y ago
      > So exactly what did it accomplish? https://www.privacyaffairs.com/gdpr-fines/ https://www.privacyaffairs.com/gdpr-fines/ > Total Amount of GDPR Fines: €2,040,213,207 > Largest Fine: €746,000,000 Amazon Europe Core S.a.r.l. on July 22 , 2021 - Luxembourg
      - scarface74 4y ago
        And now compare those fines to the market cap and revenue of the large tech companies. Did it change any behaviors? And all indications that Amazon appealed the fine and hasn’t paid it yet.
    - simion314 4y ago
      What do you want exactly? Make tracking illegal? Make advertising illegal? The law demands you ask the user for consent, if it made tracking illegal people would complain about their freedom to sell their private data for cat pictures. There are consequences for GDPR, maybe you did not see any but I can assure you that there were news about fines and you can Google for that. I can also inform you that at my work place GDPR also had an effect. What you need is browser makers to get involved and improve the situation, I am sure you would have hated EU to tell you how to implement a ""do not tack" in your browser. The main issue is that Chrome is controlled by Google and they don't want to help with privacy. But who knows maybe your favorite company Apple will push and implement a consent for tracking API . Btw here in EU GDPR also has effect in real world, just an example before GDPR you would get exam results published publicly with names, now you get a serial number and instead of names the results will ahve this serial number, nobody will know what your results are. Same if you go to a clinic to do a blood tests, they need to give you a paper and specify exactly what they will do with your data. Big tech is trying to avoid doing the right thing as much as possible but they will pay larger and larger fines until they will have to respect the users.

scarface74 4y ago

It’s not Apple that you have to worry about not supporting the full spec - they already do with USB C iPads. It’s the Android manufacturers and your local convenience store. Meaning it is still “contributing to ewaste” when you can’t use your old USB C cords to get all of the functionality that is part of the USB C spec. This is yet another example of EU regulators not thinking through their proposals — see also the GDPR whose only consequence is a bunch of cookie pop ups.

falcolas 4y ago
I'm sorry, but I don't see how we can lay the blame for corporations cutting corners on completely unrelated legislation. I get that there can be unintended consequences with passed legislation, but these seem too disconnected to be relevant. As in, there have been substandard USB-C cables since USB-C first came out. The existence of those cables can't be laid at the feet of requiring Apple to use USB-C on the one remaining device they offer which doesn't use USB-C.
- scarface74 4y ago
  > I'm sorry, but I don't see how we can lay the blame for corporations cutting corners on completely unrelated legislation. You mean the same legislation that can enforce USB C can’t enforce a minimum standard for USB C: - must support USB 3 speeds - must support video over USB and a certain minimum standard (this is a standard) - etc?
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - Ferrotin 4y ago
    You’re already free to buy a phone with those features, without worrying about extra chargers.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      The aim was to “prevent ewaste” by “standardizing cables”. The “standard” that the EU is mandating doesn’t do any of that if an Android user who bought an iPhone can’t use the “standard” cable to its potential.
      - Ferrotin 4y ago
        Yes, it does do that.
lamontcg 4y ago
> see also the GDPR whose only consequence is a bunch of cookie pop ups. well that's just wrong.
- scarface74 4y ago
  So exactly what did it accomplish? Did it affect Facebook or Google at all or any adTech company? When ATT was implemented by Apple, many ad tech companies announced it impacted them. You didn’t hear a whisper after the GDPR. Websites just started putting up annoying cookie banners and life continued.
  - falcolas 4y ago
    > So exactly what did it accomplish? https://www.privacyaffairs.com/gdpr-fines/ https://www.privacyaffairs.com/gdpr-fines/ > Total Amount of GDPR Fines: €2,040,213,207 > Largest Fine: €746,000,000 Amazon Europe Core S.a.r.l. on July 22 , 2021 - Luxembourg
    - scarface74 4y ago
      And now compare those fines to the market cap and revenue of the large tech companies. Did it change any behaviors? And all indications that Amazon appealed the fine and hasn’t paid it yet.
  - simion314 4y ago
    What do you want exactly? Make tracking illegal? Make advertising illegal? The law demands you ask the user for consent, if it made tracking illegal people would complain about their freedom to sell their private data for cat pictures. There are consequences for GDPR, maybe you did not see any but I can assure you that there were news about fines and you can Google for that. I can also inform you that at my work place GDPR also had an effect. What you need is browser makers to get involved and improve the situation, I am sure you would have hated EU to tell you how to implement a ""do not tack" in your browser. The main issue is that Chrome is controlled by Google and they don't want to help with privacy. But who knows maybe your favorite company Apple will push and implement a consent for tracking API . Btw here in EU GDPR also has effect in real world, just an example before GDPR you would get exam results published publicly with names, now you get a serial number and instead of names the results will ahve this serial number, nobody will know what your results are. Same if you go to a clinic to do a blood tests, they need to give you a paper and specify exactly what they will do with your data. Big tech is trying to avoid doing the right thing as much as possible but they will pay larger and larger fines until they will have to respect the users.