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you may not buy the "but muh innovation" - its also sad that that passes for discourse for you - but it is economic fact. whats your opinion on "muh regulatory

you may not buy the "but muh innovation" - its also sad that that passes for discourse for you - but it is economic fact. whats your opinion on "muh regulatory capture"? what about lightning vs microusb?

hooverd 4y ago
I don't see anybody complaining about the RJ45 format, or NEMA. If you let companies run wild they would probably come up with a way to shove DRM into connectors.
- enriquec 4y ago
  "hooverd not hearing anyone complaining" isn't an accurate measure of innovation lost through politicizing technology and mandating connectors
- xxpor 4y ago
  Oh, people complain about NEMA all the time. It's objectively the worst commonly used socket+plug system from a safety perspective. It's somewhat mitigated by the common voltage being half of what the Europlug etc sees. RJ45 (akchually 8p8c) also has its issues: people complain about how easy it is to break off the stupid plastic tab all the time. There's proto-DRM in SFP connectors though, you're right. There's an EEPROM in the connector since it needs to negotiate with whatever it's plugged in to, and companies like Juniper and Cisco will only support their own optics (at least, they used to).
  - hooverd 4y ago
    No argument there. The Europlug is another innovation stifling regulation though. We should allow developers/homebuilders to select the socket of their choice, even develop their own proprietary ones.
    - lwkl 4y ago
      Sounds great. I want to buy a new charger or adapter every time I travel to a different country. If we're at it we should also stop using SI units and go back to the times where every city had a different unit of measurement. Maybe we should go further and let companies develop their own units of measurement to allow for more innovation.
    - extraduder_ire 4y ago
      Is the europlug actually mandated or just common? I've seen a few different, sometimes incompatible, sockets in different mainland europe countries. If I was in NA, I would want to use british plugs on my 240V stuff if it was legal though. And not just because I hate the soles of my feet.
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falcolas 4y ago
Sadly, that is the state of discourse that's coming from the innovation POV. The entire tone of these arguments boils down to an appeal to "common sense" with nothing backing it. And, as repeatedly pointed out, it's not like the EU is preemptively stifling all potential replacements. They're explicitly carving room in the laws for those replacements when they're ready.
- chroma 4y ago
  It stifles innovation because anyone who wants to use a new connector has to lobby some EU bureaucrats. How long have we had to click through cookie consent popups on every website? You’d think the EU would be able to update their laws to fix something so simple and annoying. I expect their phone connector standards to be administered with similar competence.
  - izacus 4y ago
    Except that the regulation doesn't do any such thing (the USB-C mandate will expire automatically after a few years) and the innovation angle is just bloviating from people who haven't read the regulation and need a desperate need to defend their rich mega corporation.
    - enriquec 4y ago
      > Except that the regulation doesn't do any such thing (the USB-C mandate will expire automatically after a few years) The precedence has been set. > and the innovation angle is just bloviating from people who haven't read the regulation and need a desperate need to defend their rich mega corporation. lol dude, aside from your clear lack of knowledge in economics - you're never going to learn anything with that attitude.
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      - GamerUncle 4y ago

hooverd 4y ago

I don't see anybody complaining about the RJ45 format, or NEMA. If you let companies run wild they would probably come up with a way to shove DRM into connectors.

enriquec 4y ago
"hooverd not hearing anyone complaining" isn't an accurate measure of innovation lost through politicizing technology and mandating connectors
xxpor 4y ago
Oh, people complain about NEMA all the time. It's objectively the worst commonly used socket+plug system from a safety perspective. It's somewhat mitigated by the common voltage being half of what the Europlug etc sees. RJ45 (akchually 8p8c) also has its issues: people complain about how easy it is to break off the stupid plastic tab all the time. There's proto-DRM in SFP connectors though, you're right. There's an EEPROM in the connector since it needs to negotiate with whatever it's plugged in to, and companies like Juniper and Cisco will only support their own optics (at least, they used to).
- hooverd 4y ago
  No argument there. The Europlug is another innovation stifling regulation though. We should allow developers/homebuilders to select the socket of their choice, even develop their own proprietary ones.
  - lwkl 4y ago
    Sounds great. I want to buy a new charger or adapter every time I travel to a different country. If we're at it we should also stop using SI units and go back to the times where every city had a different unit of measurement. Maybe we should go further and let companies develop their own units of measurement to allow for more innovation.
  - extraduder_ire 4y ago
    Is the europlug actually mandated or just common? I've seen a few different, sometimes incompatible, sockets in different mainland europe countries. If I was in NA, I would want to use british plugs on my 240V stuff if it was legal though. And not just because I hate the soles of my feet.
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falcolas 4y ago

Sadly, that is the state of discourse that's coming from the innovation POV. The entire tone of these arguments boils down to an appeal to "common sense" with nothing backing it. And, as repeatedly pointed out, it's not like the EU is preemptively stifling all potential replacements. They're explicitly carving room in the laws for those replacements when they're ready.

chroma 4y ago
It stifles innovation because anyone who wants to use a new connector has to lobby some EU bureaucrats. How long have we had to click through cookie consent popups on every website? You’d think the EU would be able to update their laws to fix something so simple and annoying. I expect their phone connector standards to be administered with similar competence.
- izacus 4y ago
  Except that the regulation doesn't do any such thing (the USB-C mandate will expire automatically after a few years) and the innovation angle is just bloviating from people who haven't read the regulation and need a desperate need to defend their rich mega corporation.
  - enriquec 4y ago
    > Except that the regulation doesn't do any such thing (the USB-C mandate will expire automatically after a few years) The precedence has been set. > and the innovation angle is just bloviating from people who haven't read the regulation and need a desperate need to defend their rich mega corporation. lol dude, aside from your clear lack of knowledge in economics - you're never going to learn anything with that attitude.
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    - GamerUncle 4y ago