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And all because Apple refused to play ball and just adopt USB-C like the rest of the industry. They're too used to US regulators that just roll over and don't f

And all because Apple refused to play ball and just adopt USB-C like the rest of the industry. They're too used to US regulators that just roll over and don't follow through with their threats. For over a decade the EU has tried to get the industry to adopt a common standard without mandating it in law (we got microUSB on all phones instead of the previous proprietary ports thanks to the 2009 voluntary EU memorandum of understanding that had no problem with manufacturers upgrading to USB-C when it came out), and only Apple kept on refusing to do it.

Game_Ender 4y ago
USB-C exists because apple didn't "play ball" and use USB-mini or USB-micro like the rest of the industry and developed the lightning port [0] (see comments on this article). 0 - https://9to5mac.com/2015/03/14/apple-invent-usb-type-c/ https://9to5mac.com/2015/03/14/apple-invent-usb-type-c/
renewiltord 4y ago
Thank fuck they didn't because otherwise we would have ended up with the shitty mini USB crap. Apple has been the one company making progress on stuff: - no floppy - no optical - no shitty as mini or micro USB - no Flash Each time people whined about the fact that they "didn't use what everyone else does" and each time they were right.
- jyrkesh 4y ago
  I'd say the one exception here is removing the headphone jack. I'm still really salty about that one. Even as a Pixel owner...the downstream ecosystem effect was everyone removing the headphone jack. And most Android phones didn't even get the waterproofing benefits! Bluetooth just STILL isn't there from a reliability perspective. Even with the latest Gen 2 AirPods, I talk to friends who continue have sporadic stuff where a single bud cuts out, or you have to reconnect to get the mic working, or etc. etc... Just give me a damn analog plug and let me hear/talk!
  - mrtranscendence 4y ago
    Anecdotally, I haven't had any problems of the problems you describe on the latest AirPods Pro. And I like the ability to wander the house without dragging my MacBook Pro around -- I can get surprisingly far away before it starts to cut out. It's not perfect, mind you; on rare occasions they won't connect to my phone at all, requiring a restart, but once connected they're fine. And one time the left and right AirPods became veerryy slightly desynced, which was a bit trippy ... The main problem I have with bluetooth is that some devices make it kind of a pain to connect. It's not a huge deal, but it's not as simple or as quick as simply plugging in a cable.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    You know there are: - usb C headphones - Lightning headphones - lightning to Audio adapters
    - jyrkesh 4y ago
      I'm aware, but it's just one more thing to carry, keep track of, break, lose, etc. Except in the case of USB-C headphones, but I like to be able to use my headphones with _any_ device, and not just a USB-C device. Plus, it turns out that headphones like my bluetooth Sony...XM3 or whatever...they _have_ USB-C for charging, but you can't actually use that interface for anything but charging. In fact, they don't even support BT while plugged in. Plus, given I like to use analog headphones for my PC and home receiver, it's frustrating the way that the ecosystem has been bifurcated according to all these lines. E.g. if the headphones I want to buy are USB-C only, now I need a USB-C -> analog adapter as well in order to plug them into my stereo.
- 8note 4y ago
  No flash was and continues to be a monopoly play, ensuring to competition to the app store
CharlesW 4y ago
> And all because Apple refused to play ball and just adopt USB-C like the rest of the industry. History lesson: Apple worked with the USB-IF to create USB-C, to make sure it met their needs for both USB and Thunderbolt. They were the first to put USB-C on a laptop, the 12" MacBook in the spring of 2015 — an amazing feat considering that the spec was just finalized in the fall of 2014. They were also the first company to release a laptop with just one USB-C port for power/expansion. Lightning was pre-USB-C. When it was introduced, Apple committed to support for 10 years. If you want to invent a conspiracy theory that makes Apple look bad, here it is: If Apple would've switched to USB-C without an EU mandate, they would've received mountains of bad press about the unprecedented amount of e-waste and confusion that will result because of this switch. So they pressured the EU to mandate the change to a standard that Apple helped pioneer so that Apple's environmentally-friendly record would remain unblemished.
- cmeacham98 4y ago
  While you're giving this history lesson, when was Lightning introduced, and was it more than 10 years ago?
  - CharlesW 4y ago
    September 12, 2012. https://www.engadget.com/2012-09-12-apple-details-new-dock-connector-its-called-lightning.html https://www.engadget.com/2012-09-12-apple-details-new-dock-c...
    - cmeacham98 4y ago
      The question was rhetorical, because I knew it was 10 years in the past already.
- Hamuko 4y ago
  >So they pressured the EU to mandate the change to a standard that Apple helped pioneer so that Apple's environmentally-friendly record would remain unblemished. Remember when they made us trade our 30-pin cables to Lightning cables? Remember when they made us trade our headphones with 3.5mm jacks to wireless ones or get a dongle? Remember when they made us trade our Lightning cables to USB-C cables? Remember when they made us trade our MagSafe chargers for MagSafe 2 chargers? Remember when they made us trade our MagSafe 2 chargers for USB-C cables? (At least we can still use those USB-C cables alongside MagSafe 3 cables) Remember when they made us trade our first-generation Apple Pencils to second-generation Apple Pencils? If switching support for one type of hardware for another type of hardware is an environmental blemish by creating e-waste, then Apple's record surely is not spotless.

Game_Ender 4y ago

USB-C exists because apple didn't "play ball" and use USB-mini or USB-micro like the rest of the industry and developed the lightning port [0] (see comments on this article). 0 - https://9to5mac.com/2015/03/14/apple-invent-usb-type-c/ https://9to5mac.com/2015/03/14/apple-invent-usb-type-c/

renewiltord 4y ago

Thank fuck they didn't because otherwise we would have ended up with the shitty mini USB crap. Apple has been the one company making progress on stuff: - no floppy - no optical - no shitty as mini or micro USB - no Flash Each time people whined about the fact that they "didn't use what everyone else does" and each time they were right.

jyrkesh 4y ago
I'd say the one exception here is removing the headphone jack. I'm still really salty about that one. Even as a Pixel owner...the downstream ecosystem effect was everyone removing the headphone jack. And most Android phones didn't even get the waterproofing benefits! Bluetooth just STILL isn't there from a reliability perspective. Even with the latest Gen 2 AirPods, I talk to friends who continue have sporadic stuff where a single bud cuts out, or you have to reconnect to get the mic working, or etc. etc... Just give me a damn analog plug and let me hear/talk!
- mrtranscendence 4y ago
  Anecdotally, I haven't had any problems of the problems you describe on the latest AirPods Pro. And I like the ability to wander the house without dragging my MacBook Pro around -- I can get surprisingly far away before it starts to cut out. It's not perfect, mind you; on rare occasions they won't connect to my phone at all, requiring a restart, but once connected they're fine. And one time the left and right AirPods became veerryy slightly desynced, which was a bit trippy ... The main problem I have with bluetooth is that some devices make it kind of a pain to connect. It's not a huge deal, but it's not as simple or as quick as simply plugging in a cable.
- scarface74 4y ago
  You know there are: - usb C headphones - Lightning headphones - lightning to Audio adapters
  - jyrkesh 4y ago
    I'm aware, but it's just one more thing to carry, keep track of, break, lose, etc. Except in the case of USB-C headphones, but I like to be able to use my headphones with _any_ device, and not just a USB-C device. Plus, it turns out that headphones like my bluetooth Sony...XM3 or whatever...they _have_ USB-C for charging, but you can't actually use that interface for anything but charging. In fact, they don't even support BT while plugged in. Plus, given I like to use analog headphones for my PC and home receiver, it's frustrating the way that the ecosystem has been bifurcated according to all these lines. E.g. if the headphones I want to buy are USB-C only, now I need a USB-C -> analog adapter as well in order to plug them into my stereo.
8note 4y ago
No flash was and continues to be a monopoly play, ensuring to competition to the app store

CharlesW 4y ago

> And all because Apple refused to play ball and just adopt USB-C like the rest of the industry. History lesson: Apple worked with the USB-IF to create USB-C, to make sure it met their needs for both USB and Thunderbolt. They were the first to put USB-C on a laptop, the 12" MacBook in the spring of 2015 — an amazing feat considering that the spec was just finalized in the fall of 2014. They were also the first company to release a laptop with just one USB-C port for power/expansion. Lightning was pre-USB-C. When it was introduced, Apple committed to support for 10 years. If you want to invent a conspiracy theory that makes Apple look bad, here it is: If Apple would've switched to USB-C without an EU mandate, they would've received mountains of bad press about the unprecedented amount of e-waste and confusion that will result because of this switch. So they pressured the EU to mandate the change to a standard that Apple helped pioneer so that Apple's environmentally-friendly record would remain unblemished.

cmeacham98 4y ago
While you're giving this history lesson, when was Lightning introduced, and was it more than 10 years ago?
- CharlesW 4y ago
  September 12, 2012. https://www.engadget.com/2012-09-12-apple-details-new-dock-connector-its-called-lightning.html https://www.engadget.com/2012-09-12-apple-details-new-dock-c...
  - cmeacham98 4y ago
    The question was rhetorical, because I knew it was 10 years in the past already.
Hamuko 4y ago
>So they pressured the EU to mandate the change to a standard that Apple helped pioneer so that Apple's environmentally-friendly record would remain unblemished. Remember when they made us trade our 30-pin cables to Lightning cables? Remember when they made us trade our headphones with 3.5mm jacks to wireless ones or get a dongle? Remember when they made us trade our Lightning cables to USB-C cables? Remember when they made us trade our MagSafe chargers for MagSafe 2 chargers? Remember when they made us trade our MagSafe 2 chargers for USB-C cables? (At least we can still use those USB-C cables alongside MagSafe 3 cables) Remember when they made us trade our first-generation Apple Pencils to second-generation Apple Pencils? If switching support for one type of hardware for another type of hardware is an environmental blemish by creating e-waste, then Apple's record surely is not spotless.