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The question is whether you are a cost center to the company. In IT when your revenue doesn’t come from software? You’re a cost center.

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BlargMcLarg 4y ago
Seems like any industry views its IT as a cost center by default until said otherwise, even if their revenue comes from software. There is no cure for shortsightedness.
- gamblor956 4y ago
  IT is a cost center in every business, including software. It contributes to the ultimate profit in the same way that HR, Legal, and Finance do. Indirectly, in support of the actual revenue-generating functions.
  - ianbutler 4y ago
    Can't generate revenue without a product to sell. I'd say that's pretty direct. And before you come back and go spoken like a developer. Clearly the most successful businesses and business people in history agree with my assessment, it's why an engineers total comp is so high at actual tech companies.
    - gamblor956 4y ago
      I'm not sure what you're saying, but IT and software developers are not the same thing. IT is the support department that support what the developers do by managing the internal tools and hardware that the developers use. And if you think developer comp is high, in Hollywood the revenue-generators make more for a few hours of work than GAMMA developers will make in a year in a rising stock market. Clearly the most successful businesses and business people in history agree with my assessment Objectively false. The most successful businesses in history, adjusted for inflation, are the railroad and oil barons, followed by the Hollywood studios. And note that at least two of the GAMMA companies are now worth less than a retail chain.
      - ianbutler 4y ago
        So I disagree with a lot of your points for other reasons, but I totally jumped into the chain without seeing that they were talking exclusively about IT, I misread the chain. So that's my bad, I'll see myself out.

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BlargMcLarg 4y ago

Seems like any industry views its IT as a cost center by default until said otherwise, even if their revenue comes from software. There is no cure for shortsightedness.

gamblor956 4y ago
IT is a cost center in every business, including software. It contributes to the ultimate profit in the same way that HR, Legal, and Finance do. Indirectly, in support of the actual revenue-generating functions.
- ianbutler 4y ago
  Can't generate revenue without a product to sell. I'd say that's pretty direct. And before you come back and go spoken like a developer. Clearly the most successful businesses and business people in history agree with my assessment, it's why an engineers total comp is so high at actual tech companies.
  - gamblor956 4y ago
    I'm not sure what you're saying, but IT and software developers are not the same thing. IT is the support department that support what the developers do by managing the internal tools and hardware that the developers use. And if you think developer comp is high, in Hollywood the revenue-generators make more for a few hours of work than GAMMA developers will make in a year in a rising stock market. Clearly the most successful businesses and business people in history agree with my assessment Objectively false. The most successful businesses in history, adjusted for inflation, are the railroad and oil barons, followed by the Hollywood studios. And note that at least two of the GAMMA companies are now worth less than a retail chain.
    - ianbutler 4y ago
      So I disagree with a lot of your points for other reasons, but I totally jumped into the chain without seeing that they were talking exclusively about IT, I misread the chain. So that's my bad, I'll see myself out.