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The weird looks I get for even suggesting bringing manufacturing back home so we can have western-made goods, with low-carbon manufacturing regulations just sho

The weird looks I get for even suggesting bringing manufacturing back home so we can have western-made goods, with low-carbon manufacturing regulations just shows that people don't understand how hard we're getting fleeced for our money. Bring these things home, we can regulate, control, and promote cleaner manufacturing practices - or at least control industrial waste output instead of "pipe the waste chemicals into the river beside us, who cares!". I really find it a big problem that we're putting "the climate" as a higher priority than the people that are living here, right now, suffering because of multiple factors - one of which is governmental mismanagement, along with inflationary monetary policies, the sudden removal of all economic activity with Russia (a whole separate issue). I have no doubt in my mind that the Liberal MP who voted for exempting home heating from the carbon tax will be conveniently replaced during the next election cycle - given the current Liberal party culture of "follow us in lockstep or you're gone". I also have no doubt in my mind that because the western world decided to lower domestic production of energy sources like natural gas and oil products that we're going to see a an unexpected amount of people dying from freezing to death in their homes. Canada, USA, or Europe. Extremely frustrating that the Canadian government continues to insist raising carbon taxes on everybody during one of the most unstable economies, during the aftermath of a pandemic with harsh actions that wouldn't have needed to be so harsh if they didn't have a dilapidated healthcare system propped up by good feelings and government-sponsored marketing campaigns to "thank a nurse!" I'd rather support someone who takes care of people _now_ instead of fear-mongering us to give up more of our money for "the future" - which we'll never see because we'll already be dead of old age anyways. It seems so idealistic and faith-driven to me - just an excuse to take more of your money away from you with no meaningful return on your forced "investment".

arbitrary_name 4y ago
Why do you think there is a dilapidated health care system today, if not due to the inaction of yesterday? Why do you think we have inflation, housing crises and environmental catastrophe today, if not for the short sightedness and selfishness of those who came before us? Your position appears to be one of self centered convenience, the exact same mindset that has prevented any solutions in the past. You are literally proposing we do nothing because it will impact you. Well, at some point, we won't even have a choice: we will have our backs against the wall, with the costs of our inaction limiting our choices.
- scohesc 4y ago
  I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying - maybe I didn't articulate it properly. We have all these things going on today because of the actions of governments over the past 10-20-30 years. I didn't cause the inflation, I didn't cause the housing crisis, and I certainly didn't cause the environmental catastrophes. Why the government wants to clean up their messes with more of _my_ money has me flabbergasted. For some reason, society has decided to put trust in governments to help us with climate change, when the very same governments put us into this situation in the first place. The very same governments who said to trust them, while encouraging economic policies for decades that favor the rich and politically elite - insider trading, complete and total export of manufacturing to third-world countries, back-door deals... The very same governments who said they'd take care of our health is the same government that let the medical system get administratively bloated without caring about front-line staff. Now there's country-wide shortages that likely won't be fixed for at least a decade, if not more while we try and encourage more people into medical fields. The very same governments who said that we care about stopping inflation, but are peachy keen with sending billions upon billions of dollars overseas to a country that before a year ago, 90% of us couldn't find on a globe. So many times the government has lied to the people - why would this time be any different? Sure, the government relies on experts to make their policy changes - climate scientists, economists, doctors, etc. But do you think they'd ever follow an expert that suggests advice that is _not_ in the governments best interest? Better yet - do you not think that governments don't find experts that tell them what government wants to hear? Far as I'm concerned, this climate tax stuff is all an excuse to extract more money out of the middle and lower classes. People who have literally no idea on how the climate works just parrot "i'm helping the planet!" while their wallets get emptier and emptier. You can't enjoy the nice climate/life when you're penniless, starving, and working slave labor to make ends meet. But the rich and elite sure are on your dime!

arbitrary_name 4y ago

Why do you think there is a dilapidated health care system today, if not due to the inaction of yesterday? Why do you think we have inflation, housing crises and environmental catastrophe today, if not for the short sightedness and selfishness of those who came before us? Your position appears to be one of self centered convenience, the exact same mindset that has prevented any solutions in the past. You are literally proposing we do nothing because it will impact you. Well, at some point, we won't even have a choice: we will have our backs against the wall, with the costs of our inaction limiting our choices.

scohesc 4y ago
I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying - maybe I didn't articulate it properly. We have all these things going on today because of the actions of governments over the past 10-20-30 years. I didn't cause the inflation, I didn't cause the housing crisis, and I certainly didn't cause the environmental catastrophes. Why the government wants to clean up their messes with more of _my_ money has me flabbergasted. For some reason, society has decided to put trust in governments to help us with climate change, when the very same governments put us into this situation in the first place. The very same governments who said to trust them, while encouraging economic policies for decades that favor the rich and politically elite - insider trading, complete and total export of manufacturing to third-world countries, back-door deals... The very same governments who said they'd take care of our health is the same government that let the medical system get administratively bloated without caring about front-line staff. Now there's country-wide shortages that likely won't be fixed for at least a decade, if not more while we try and encourage more people into medical fields. The very same governments who said that we care about stopping inflation, but are peachy keen with sending billions upon billions of dollars overseas to a country that before a year ago, 90% of us couldn't find on a globe. So many times the government has lied to the people - why would this time be any different? Sure, the government relies on experts to make their policy changes - climate scientists, economists, doctors, etc. But do you think they'd ever follow an expert that suggests advice that is _not_ in the governments best interest? Better yet - do you not think that governments don't find experts that tell them what government wants to hear? Far as I'm concerned, this climate tax stuff is all an excuse to extract more money out of the middle and lower classes. People who have literally no idea on how the climate works just parrot "i'm helping the planet!" while their wallets get emptier and emptier. You can't enjoy the nice climate/life when you're penniless, starving, and working slave labor to make ends meet. But the rich and elite sure are on your dime!