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My greatest concern is that all these virtual experiences are behind a paywall, first hardware and then pay-per-experience. Going for a walk should be free.

Finnucane 4y ago
"I want to go for a walk, but not actually walk, and pay for it, while being bombarded by ads" said no one ever.
- duxup 4y ago
  "Hello Neighbor. I'm not actually a woman but this is the default avatar and I don't want to pay money to change it."
  - Finnucane 4y ago
    "Hello Neighbor. I'd like you to join my professional network on LinkedIn."
  - avgDev 4y ago
    "Hello neighbor, you won't believe what happened to this dog, come with me to learn more."
- datadata 4y ago
  It could quite honestly depend on exactly where you live, maybe it is already a good idea. Maybe your neighborhood is plagued by cars and pedestrian hostile design, and you don't have time to travel. Maybe it is the middle of a blizzard. Unfortunately I think technology will encourage this, as our society is primarily optimizing for GDP (ad spend) and jobs (lack of free time and neighborhoods focused on life outside work).
  - duxup 4y ago
    I think it says something that a VR use case requires a dystopian future.
    - Finnucane 4y ago
      Dystopian is such a harsh word. I mean, for billionaire tech bros, it's paradise.
    - datadata 4y ago
      It wouldn't be the time humans have willingly created massive problems in order for an emerging technology that is necessary for economic growth to become successful.
      - Finnucane 4y ago
        How is this in any way necessary for economic growth?
        datadata 4y ago
        Sorry, I said that backwards. Economic growth is necessary (at least in the capitalist system we are in). We need things to succeed to deliver economic growth. At a certain point large sacrifices will be made to ensure the success of a new industry that promises economic growth. I don't think VR is at this point yet, but it might be soon. Cars in the US and the destruction of passenger trains is a good past example. Cars gave consumers more freedom but at a much greater price and thus role in economic growth. We made great investments into highway systems to subsidize the automobile industry. This came at the expense of passenger trains (among other things) which was a direct competitor to the personal car, but operated more efficiently. Tying back to the original comment, if there is a way to monetize walking that can only be done in VR, incentives will flow towards promoting that VR system to succeed. Those incentives will necessarily undermine the free alternative of actually walking. This is all done in the name of economic growth.
        chresko 4y ago

Finnucane 4y ago

"I want to go for a walk, but not actually walk, and pay for it, while being bombarded by ads" said no one ever.

duxup 4y ago
"Hello Neighbor. I'm not actually a woman but this is the default avatar and I don't want to pay money to change it."
- Finnucane 4y ago
  "Hello Neighbor. I'd like you to join my professional network on LinkedIn."
- avgDev 4y ago
  "Hello neighbor, you won't believe what happened to this dog, come with me to learn more."
datadata 4y ago
It could quite honestly depend on exactly where you live, maybe it is already a good idea. Maybe your neighborhood is plagued by cars and pedestrian hostile design, and you don't have time to travel. Maybe it is the middle of a blizzard. Unfortunately I think technology will encourage this, as our society is primarily optimizing for GDP (ad spend) and jobs (lack of free time and neighborhoods focused on life outside work).
- duxup 4y ago
  I think it says something that a VR use case requires a dystopian future.
  - Finnucane 4y ago
    Dystopian is such a harsh word. I mean, for billionaire tech bros, it's paradise.
  - datadata 4y ago
    It wouldn't be the time humans have willingly created massive problems in order for an emerging technology that is necessary for economic growth to become successful.
    - Finnucane 4y ago
      How is this in any way necessary for economic growth?
      - datadata 4y ago
        Sorry, I said that backwards. Economic growth is necessary (at least in the capitalist system we are in). We need things to succeed to deliver economic growth. At a certain point large sacrifices will be made to ensure the success of a new industry that promises economic growth. I don't think VR is at this point yet, but it might be soon. Cars in the US and the destruction of passenger trains is a good past example. Cars gave consumers more freedom but at a much greater price and thus role in economic growth. We made great investments into highway systems to subsidize the automobile industry. This came at the expense of passenger trains (among other things) which was a direct competitor to the personal car, but operated more efficiently. Tying back to the original comment, if there is a way to monetize walking that can only be done in VR, incentives will flow towards promoting that VR system to succeed. Those incentives will necessarily undermine the free alternative of actually walking. This is all done in the name of economic growth.
        chresko 4y ago