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I've heard that exact same defense for 10 years. When? When is this magic moment where it stops sucking? We've been told oh just wait for better hand tracking.

I've heard that exact same defense for 10 years. When? When is this magic moment where it stops sucking? We've been told oh just wait for better hand tracking... oh wait for better screens... oh wait for portable/wireless headsets... oh wait... Shit or get off the pot VR. You've had 10 years.

blairbeckwith 4y ago
Tons of things have taken more than 10 years to stop sucking. Digital cameras, MP3 players, "smart" phones, arguably laptops... I am not a VR believer by any stretch, but this is such myopic thinking.
- creshal 4y ago
  VR has been around for fifty years, that's a pretty long time to not produce any convincing results. And all those inventions piggy backed off a very rapid pace of hardware getting faster, smaller, more power efficient and cheaper at the same time. Moore's law meanwhile is dead, the rate at which CPUs/GPUs get faster is slowing down considerably, and VR needs a lot faster and cheaper and more power efficient hardware just to become affordable at reasonable quality. That's not a good starting point, especially when you're a publicly traded company and your future depends on reaching that inflexion point soon™. And then you still run into practicality problems: • User input is still fairly clunky. Touchscreens just removed most of the friction of computer input devices, VR puts it back in. That won't make it particularly popular. Granted, future advances in hand/finger tracking might solve this, but this adds another set of sensors and hardware to make sense of them, when VR headsets are already struggling to reduce the bill of materials to become affordable. • VR needs lots and lots of space. Digital cameras, MP3 players, smartphones, laptops, … for the most part reduced the amount of space a family needs to do things, compared to what came before, which made them a no-brainer for all demographics. No amount of technology improvement can really reduce VR's space demand without compromising on user experience. Not a problem for US tech bros, but ask an European or Asian family what they feel about doubling their rent so one family member gets enough space to use VR. Not gonna happen.
scyzoryk_xyz 4y ago
„Shit or get off the pot VR. You've had 10 years.” What a strange anthropomorphization of technology/product. Is this somehow hurting you personally? Is there some other technology being developed by someone that is somehow not “getting it’s turn”?
silverlake 4y ago
All the tech you like took much, much longer to develop than 10 years. The first computer was 1945. The first “mobile” phone was 1946. The first video phone was 1956. The first “internet” was 1969. Electric cars were commercially available in 1900. These were all developed by giant companies that no longer exist.

blairbeckwith 4y ago

Tons of things have taken more than 10 years to stop sucking. Digital cameras, MP3 players, "smart" phones, arguably laptops... I am not a VR believer by any stretch, but this is such myopic thinking.

creshal 4y ago
VR has been around for fifty years, that's a pretty long time to not produce any convincing results. And all those inventions piggy backed off a very rapid pace of hardware getting faster, smaller, more power efficient and cheaper at the same time. Moore's law meanwhile is dead, the rate at which CPUs/GPUs get faster is slowing down considerably, and VR needs a lot faster and cheaper and more power efficient hardware just to become affordable at reasonable quality. That's not a good starting point, especially when you're a publicly traded company and your future depends on reaching that inflexion point soon™. And then you still run into practicality problems: • User input is still fairly clunky. Touchscreens just removed most of the friction of computer input devices, VR puts it back in. That won't make it particularly popular. Granted, future advances in hand/finger tracking might solve this, but this adds another set of sensors and hardware to make sense of them, when VR headsets are already struggling to reduce the bill of materials to become affordable. • VR needs lots and lots of space. Digital cameras, MP3 players, smartphones, laptops, … for the most part reduced the amount of space a family needs to do things, compared to what came before, which made them a no-brainer for all demographics. No amount of technology improvement can really reduce VR's space demand without compromising on user experience. Not a problem for US tech bros, but ask an European or Asian family what they feel about doubling their rent so one family member gets enough space to use VR. Not gonna happen.

scyzoryk_xyz 4y ago

„Shit or get off the pot VR. You've had 10 years.” What a strange anthropomorphization of technology/product. Is this somehow hurting you personally? Is there some other technology being developed by someone that is somehow not “getting it’s turn”?

silverlake 4y ago

All the tech you like took much, much longer to develop than 10 years. The first computer was 1945. The first “mobile” phone was 1946. The first video phone was 1956. The first “internet” was 1969. Electric cars were commercially available in 1900. These were all developed by giant companies that no longer exist.