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United States unamendable national and state borders are also a factor. Whatever one thinks about Brexit, it allowed EU to continue with countries that are comm

United States unamendable national and state borders are also a factor. Whatever one thinks about Brexit, it allowed EU to continue with countries that are committed to EU and for UK to consider what's best for UK, including welcoming Hong Kong residents not enthusiastic about takeover by China. If California and Texas go their own way and borders between states are adjusted to accommodate red and blue area, maybe current system is all that is needed. CA and TX can be still part of Nato and have a free travel arrangement with each other, changes do not have to be extreme.

yieldcrv 4y ago
> can be still part of Nato and have a free travel arrangement with each other, changes do not have to be extreme I've spent the last past decade pointing that out to people. People act like a state being separate from the US and independent is soooo absurd, logistically. But the US can still assist on a natural disaster just like it does in all of the Americas. Common defense can occur, as you point out. Visa and waivers could be easy. I always like to imagine what level of state tax would I tolerate if I was only paying income taxes to just California. Since California doesn't get much/anything back from the Federal Government from its remittances, I bet California wouldn't even need to raise its states taxes.
- rhino369 4y ago
  It's absurd because Californian's aren't really a nationality in the way the British or French are. People talk about red states and blue states, but that's just the mix of rural/surburban/urban people in the state. Rural Californians are much more in common with rural Texans than with Los Angelenos. There is more cultural variance within just Spain than the entirety of the USA. We truly are one people. Ironically, calling for a USA that is just an common defense alliance with open trade borders is pretty much what conservatives want. They'll be happy to cut taxes, and let California experiment with what it wants.
  - yieldcrv 4y ago
    The counterpoint being that the cultural similarities aren't a line in the sand on being separate. There are plenty of places that are similar and separately sovereign. But let me make it less absurd to you: "Hey Republican House and Senate, trade offer: California gets sovereignty, you make the democrats lose 55 electoral college votes and essentially never have to hear from them ever again for all eternity" I honestly think they would bite.

yieldcrv 4y ago

> can be still part of Nato and have a free travel arrangement with each other, changes do not have to be extreme I've spent the last past decade pointing that out to people. People act like a state being separate from the US and independent is soooo absurd, logistically. But the US can still assist on a natural disaster just like it does in all of the Americas. Common defense can occur, as you point out. Visa and waivers could be easy. I always like to imagine what level of state tax would I tolerate if I was only paying income taxes to just California. Since California doesn't get much/anything back from the Federal Government from its remittances, I bet California wouldn't even need to raise its states taxes.

rhino369 4y ago
It's absurd because Californian's aren't really a nationality in the way the British or French are. People talk about red states and blue states, but that's just the mix of rural/surburban/urban people in the state. Rural Californians are much more in common with rural Texans than with Los Angelenos. There is more cultural variance within just Spain than the entirety of the USA. We truly are one people. Ironically, calling for a USA that is just an common defense alliance with open trade borders is pretty much what conservatives want. They'll be happy to cut taxes, and let California experiment with what it wants.
- yieldcrv 4y ago
  The counterpoint being that the cultural similarities aren't a line in the sand on being separate. There are plenty of places that are similar and separately sovereign. But let me make it less absurd to you: "Hey Republican House and Senate, trade offer: California gets sovereignty, you make the democrats lose 55 electoral college votes and essentially never have to hear from them ever again for all eternity" I honestly think they would bite.