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That sounds like wishful thinking in a Dunning Kruger kind of way by somebody who never played physical sports on a competitive level. Video games are a non-so

That sounds like wishful thinking in a Dunning Kruger kind of way by somebody who never played physical sports on a competitive level. Video games are a non-social controlled environment with obvious and predictable goals, similar to gambling. Gambling encourages a person to keep pushing themselves for a positive outcome but that alone does indicate any form of personal advancement. Sports and music require development of skills, often with coaching by a human, and requiring long periods of independent practice without any kind of immediate feedback. In sports it takes years of investment to get good (less than excellent). If a given video game took years of investment to complete the current level almost nobody would play that game.

spookybones 4y ago
The goals are pretty obvious in many sports. Heard of goal posts before?
- throwaway0asd 4y ago
  An athlete doesn’t go from couch potato to immediately scoring touchdowns just after a few attempts at trial and error. You can do that in video games because everything is synthetic and linear. In the real world you actually have to overcome real pain (both mental and physical) to achieve success. Video games are incapable of teaching that on absolutely any level.
  - ED_Radish 4y ago
    You should sign up for a fighting game tournament some time and see how far a few attempts gets you
Dracophoenix 4y ago
> If a given video game took years of investment to complete the current level almost nobody would play that game. How do you explain League of Legends or even E-sports in general? Games are as competitive as they are endeavors of creativity.
- throwaway0asd 4y ago
  The same way I would explain drugs and gambling. Gambling can be very competitive. That appeals to somebody and glamorizing it can generate a lot of money, but that doesn’t mean it’s beneficial in absolutely any way.
  - Dracophoenix 4y ago
    Unless you're thinking of gacha games, I don't see the similarity. In general, video games have defined victory conditions and rewards. Gambling, outside of certain card games, doesn't.
bawolff 4y ago
> Video games are a non-social controlled environment Lots of video games are social. Some are not. The amount the environment is controlled can also varry. > Gambling encourages a person to keep pushing themselves for a positive outcome but that alone does indicate any form of personal advancement. So like literally everything. Seriously, can you name an external stimuli that this doesn't fit? Is work gambling? School? Yoga class? > In sports it takes years of investment to get good (less than excellent). If a given video game took years of investment to complete the current level almost nobody would play that game. I can be shit at soccer, and still have fun with friends. I can be shit at video games and still have fun. I can spend years practising and still be nowhere close to olympic level. Similarly, i can spend years on video games and be nowhere near the top of competitive e-sports. What's the difference exactly?
- throwaway0asd 4y ago
  > What's the difference exactly? The difference is third party contribution. If you are playing games purely for personal enjoyment that’s great. If you consider it a sport you are probably someone else’s product with little or nothing but lost time to show for it. This has long since been explained in Nicomachean Ethics and Utilitarianism. What matters is not the carrot someone can dangle in your face but your ability to tell the difference.
  - bawolff 4y ago
    Do you think high level (real) sports are different? That NHL players do it purely for the love of the game, with no corporate interests meddling? Like i said, what is the difference?

spookybones 4y ago

The goals are pretty obvious in many sports. Heard of goal posts before?

throwaway0asd 4y ago
An athlete doesn’t go from couch potato to immediately scoring touchdowns just after a few attempts at trial and error. You can do that in video games because everything is synthetic and linear. In the real world you actually have to overcome real pain (both mental and physical) to achieve success. Video games are incapable of teaching that on absolutely any level.
- ED_Radish 4y ago
  You should sign up for a fighting game tournament some time and see how far a few attempts gets you

Dracophoenix 4y ago

> If a given video game took years of investment to complete the current level almost nobody would play that game. How do you explain League of Legends or even E-sports in general? Games are as competitive as they are endeavors of creativity.

throwaway0asd 4y ago
The same way I would explain drugs and gambling. Gambling can be very competitive. That appeals to somebody and glamorizing it can generate a lot of money, but that doesn’t mean it’s beneficial in absolutely any way.
- Dracophoenix 4y ago
  Unless you're thinking of gacha games, I don't see the similarity. In general, video games have defined victory conditions and rewards. Gambling, outside of certain card games, doesn't.

bawolff 4y ago

> Video games are a non-social controlled environment Lots of video games are social. Some are not. The amount the environment is controlled can also varry. > Gambling encourages a person to keep pushing themselves for a positive outcome but that alone does indicate any form of personal advancement. So like literally everything. Seriously, can you name an external stimuli that this doesn't fit? Is work gambling? School? Yoga class? > In sports it takes years of investment to get good (less than excellent). If a given video game took years of investment to complete the current level almost nobody would play that game. I can be shit at soccer, and still have fun with friends. I can be shit at video games and still have fun. I can spend years practising and still be nowhere close to olympic level. Similarly, i can spend years on video games and be nowhere near the top of competitive e-sports. What's the difference exactly?

throwaway0asd 4y ago
> What's the difference exactly? The difference is third party contribution. If you are playing games purely for personal enjoyment that’s great. If you consider it a sport you are probably someone else’s product with little or nothing but lost time to show for it. This has long since been explained in Nicomachean Ethics and Utilitarianism. What matters is not the carrot someone can dangle in your face but your ability to tell the difference.
- bawolff 4y ago
  Do you think high level (real) sports are different? That NHL players do it purely for the love of the game, with no corporate interests meddling? Like i said, what is the difference?