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> That humans like a class G sun is irrelevant to the prospering of those intelligences. It's also worth noting that the types of star or planet available don'

by Udo 4y ago

> That humans like a class G sun is irrelevant to the prospering of those intelligences. It's also worth noting that the types of star or planet available don't matter much to meatbags either once they have learned to leave their homeworld. Orbital or even deep space habitats are much more efficient and easier to construct than livable planets. As long as there is a reasonable energy source nearby, you can have any environment you like in a spinning cylinder. > and that interstellar voyages will be undertaken by those intelligences Probably, although I would much prefer if we humans became hybrids of some sort (maybe uploaded and virtualized, or extensively augmented) instead of just falling by the wayside. It would be sad if our only job in cosmic history turns out to be giving birth to the real main characters of the story.

eru 4y ago
> Probably, although I would much prefer if we humans became hybrids of some sort (maybe uploaded and virtualized, or extensively augmented) instead of just falling by the wayside. Well, would you consider yourself to be a heavily augmented fish? (Or heavily augmented amoeba?) If yes, you can probably re-interpret our successors in that light, too.
- Udo 4y ago
  > Well, would you consider yourself to be a heavily augmented fish? Among other things, yes. There are enormous amounts of biochemical machinery we are still running today originating from the dawn of life. Although I believe intentionally designed augmentations would be (and in a way: already are) a complete game changer, in at least as much as the advent of higher reasoning and shared culture was the game changer that gave birth to us. So there may well be an insurmountable wall of separation between us and our successors. From my admittedly biased perspective I think the most important aspects worth porting over to a new species are not even necessarily biological, but cultural and emotional. I personally think there is a potential for experiential richness that I would love to see explored in a human-like but highly advanced lifeform. To be clear, I wouldn't object to personally being that lifeform, either, but alas I was born too early.
Ekaros 4y ago
With our current understanding of physics the travel to anywhere essentially requires self-sustaining habitat in space. And technology to either terraform or maintain such. That kind leads to point that if you have that, do you event need or want planets anymore.

by Udo 4y ago

eru 4y ago

> Probably, although I would much prefer if we humans became hybrids of some sort (maybe uploaded and virtualized, or extensively augmented) instead of just falling by the wayside. Well, would you consider yourself to be a heavily augmented fish? (Or heavily augmented amoeba?) If yes, you can probably re-interpret our successors in that light, too.

Udo 4y ago
> Well, would you consider yourself to be a heavily augmented fish? Among other things, yes. There are enormous amounts of biochemical machinery we are still running today originating from the dawn of life. Although I believe intentionally designed augmentations would be (and in a way: already are) a complete game changer, in at least as much as the advent of higher reasoning and shared culture was the game changer that gave birth to us. So there may well be an insurmountable wall of separation between us and our successors. From my admittedly biased perspective I think the most important aspects worth porting over to a new species are not even necessarily biological, but cultural and emotional. I personally think there is a potential for experiential richness that I would love to see explored in a human-like but highly advanced lifeform. To be clear, I wouldn't object to personally being that lifeform, either, but alas I was born too early.

Ekaros 4y ago

With our current understanding of physics the travel to anywhere essentially requires self-sustaining habitat in space. And technology to either terraform or maintain such. That kind leads to point that if you have that, do you event need or want planets anymore.