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I called this a data grab from day 1 and stand by that. The amount of fellow iOS developers I've had argue for the "convenience" is astounding. There should be

I called this a data grab from day 1 and stand by that. The amount of fellow iOS developers I've had argue for the "convenience" is astounding. There should be a settings toggle to control the auto-reenable behavior.

noptd 4y ago
Yeah, this behavior sounds a bit anti-user to me. The action pretty much boils down to, "Oh, you disabled Bluetooth and left it that way? Well, we know better so we're going to turn it back on without your knowledge or approval. You're welcome." I don't buy the convenience excuse either otherwise the behavior could be disabled if desired.
- scarface74 4y ago
  You mean it’s anti user when it says in big letters “turn off Bluetooth until tomorrow” when you click on the button in control center?
  - walterbell 4y ago
    It's an anti-user and anti-dictionary dark pattern when "turn off" doesn't mean Turn Off, but only stops new connections.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      It’s anti dictionary when it actually says the words what it’s about to do when you press the button? How much clearer could it be.
      - walterbell 4y ago
        The button no longer Turns Off the Bluetooth radio. The same button in Control Center previously Turned Off the Bluetooth radio. The button does not do what it (a) claims to do, (b) previously did.
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        scarface74 4y ago
        And my car no longer comes with a cassette player. But it also says “CD Player” on it just in case you try to stick one in.
happyopossum 4y ago
> I called this a data grab from day 1 and stand by that Option 1 is a reasonable explanation based on the behavior that arguably works best for 99% of users . Option 2 is a “data grab” with no evidence or theories about who is grabbing what data and for what purpose.
- sixstringtheory 4y ago
  AirTags wouldn’t work as well if everyone’s phones weren’t constantly transmitting/receiving, for one thing, and grabbing data on all nearby WiFi SSIDs and beacons helps with location services and probably advertising.
- walterbell 4y ago
  > grabbing what data and for what purpose One possible motive: a billion dollars of AirTag revenue, https://macdailynews.com/2022/06/20/apple-estimated-to-sell-55-million-airtag-item-trackers-in-first-2-years/ https://macdailynews.com/2022/06/20/apple-estimated-to-sell-...

noptd 4y ago

Yeah, this behavior sounds a bit anti-user to me. The action pretty much boils down to, "Oh, you disabled Bluetooth and left it that way? Well, we know better so we're going to turn it back on without your knowledge or approval. You're welcome." I don't buy the convenience excuse either otherwise the behavior could be disabled if desired.

scarface74 4y ago
You mean it’s anti user when it says in big letters “turn off Bluetooth until tomorrow” when you click on the button in control center?
- walterbell 4y ago
  It's an anti-user and anti-dictionary dark pattern when "turn off" doesn't mean Turn Off, but only stops new connections.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    It’s anti dictionary when it actually says the words what it’s about to do when you press the button? How much clearer could it be.
    - walterbell 4y ago
      The button no longer Turns Off the Bluetooth radio. The same button in Control Center previously Turned Off the Bluetooth radio. The button does not do what it (a) claims to do, (b) previously did.
      - deleted 4y ago
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      - scarface74 4y ago
        And my car no longer comes with a cassette player. But it also says “CD Player” on it just in case you try to stick one in.

happyopossum 4y ago

> I called this a data grab from day 1 and stand by that Option 1 is a reasonable explanation based on the behavior that arguably works best for 99% of users . Option 2 is a “data grab” with no evidence or theories about who is grabbing what data and for what purpose.

sixstringtheory 4y ago
AirTags wouldn’t work as well if everyone’s phones weren’t constantly transmitting/receiving, for one thing, and grabbing data on all nearby WiFi SSIDs and beacons helps with location services and probably advertising.
walterbell 4y ago
> grabbing what data and for what purpose One possible motive: a billion dollars of AirTag revenue, https://macdailynews.com/2022/06/20/apple-estimated-to-sell-55-million-airtag-item-trackers-in-first-2-years/ https://macdailynews.com/2022/06/20/apple-estimated-to-sell-...