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You’re gonna have to explain this. People want to become the opposite gender because of peer pressure?

by avgcorrection 4y ago

booleandilemma 4y ago
I've read that obesity is socially contagious, but I've never heard of anyone wanting to be obese.
- lwansbrough 4y ago
  This one is pretty simple. If you have obese family or friends, you’ll develop habits similar to them subconsciously. Eating more or more frequently, or similar foods, etc. Is it a “contagion”? Well, fast food is yummy and being lazy is easier than being active and fit. So there’s a significant pull if you’re exposed to it a lot.
  - mjevans 4y ago
    It's really hard to get reasonably priced single servings of anything in the US. In food service establishments there at least used to be a push towards value in driving up portion sizes; if nothing else, to differentiate a kids meal from an adults. For items sold in stores it makes more sense to carry one size, or very few sizes, and efficiency pushes towards packages that contain more. As an example; a single frozen pizza that I enjoy the flavor of is only carried in one size. A size reasonable for two adults to split as a large meal, which could be split further to a 'nuclear family' with some sides. Instead I'll gorge on it as my only meal of the day because that's the most effective way for me to maximize the value of that 'best market fit' product (I really detest leftovers).
    - aliqot 4y ago
      > It's really hard to get reasonably priced single servings of anything in the US It's the amount you take in vs the amount you expend. Putting it on your plate doesnt mean you must eat it. I went from morbidly obese to showing abs during covid and while doing almost 0 activity just by watching how the weight of what i ate affected the weight on the scale. McDonalds and Kroger can serve me flintstone's size portions and I'll still be fit because I know that for my daily expenditure I need a certain amount. If I know I'll be expending more, i'll consume more. Am I hungry? Absolutely! But you are free to make the choice to eat when idle, or do other more productive things. Hunger doesn't mean starving and it's hard to train your brain to understand 'no'.
- the-printer 4y ago
  I’m sure you could find a few of their abandoned Tumblr pages if you looked hard enough.
- avgcorrection 4y ago
  Ok.
lwansbrough 4y ago
I think the theory is that people want to fit in (or alternatively, stand out.) If you surround yourself with people who are transgender, you may inherently want to fit that norm. Not sure whether I agree this is a real phenomenon, but I understand the argument.
- XorNot 4y ago
  If you reframed the argument as: "there's only so many gay people because they want to fit in and be different and being gay is cool now" then it sounds ridiculous, which tells you everything you need to know about it's validity. Whereas the prevalence in text from antiquity of "men disguising themselves as women" should perhaps give people pause as to why this concept was out there in fiction despite being centuries removed from surgical transitioning being possible Because subtext is dead: because gender dysmorphia isn't new, and it was probably quite common for people to do this "as a joke" as a means of spending time in an identity that they found satisfying, to various levels of acceptance of the community around them. Thus writers and audiences of the time knew of the phenomenon and used it as a plot point - people tend to write what they know. The era of "no women on stage" very likely found a reliable source of men willing to play female characters and doing a very good job of it - otherwise it would've been a bit of a scripting and production problem as well.
  - lwansbrough 4y ago
    Well there are people who think they may be gay only to discover that they aren’t over time/through experimentation. So I don’t think it’s unreasonable to allow for a non-binary reality where a person is better off not transitioning, even if they experience feelings of transgenderism.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
    <<If you reframed the argument as: "there's only so many gay people because they want to fit in and be different and being gay is cool now" then it sounds ridiculous, which tells you everything you need to know about it's validity. Without assigning value judgement to the transgender as a norm/not a norm/social construct/we, you cannot dismiss parent's argument this way. Parent is not claiming 'gays exist only as function of emulating other's behavior'. Parent is claiming there is a social factor that is influencing a younger person to claim being transgender. It is hard to easily dismiss it, because kids do in fact attempt to emulate authority figures ( parents ) and peers ( friends ).
googlryas 4y ago
Maybe not want to become, but if there is a small inkling in them, I'm sure the peer groups could encourage that. Imagine someone who wants to try soccer but hangs out with baseball players, versus someone who wants to try soccer and hangs out with soccer players. Who would you suspect has a higher chance of joining a soccer team?
- avgcorrection 4y ago
  Transsexualism is an infrequently occurring queerism. I have a hard time imagining that there are a lot of 50-50 cis/trans people who just fall on whichever side based on who their friends are.

You’re gonna have to explain this. People want to become the opposite gender because of peer pressure?

booleandilemma 4y ago

I've read that obesity is socially contagious, but I've never heard of anyone wanting to be obese.

lwansbrough 4y ago
This one is pretty simple. If you have obese family or friends, you’ll develop habits similar to them subconsciously. Eating more or more frequently, or similar foods, etc. Is it a “contagion”? Well, fast food is yummy and being lazy is easier than being active and fit. So there’s a significant pull if you’re exposed to it a lot.
- mjevans 4y ago
  It's really hard to get reasonably priced single servings of anything in the US. In food service establishments there at least used to be a push towards value in driving up portion sizes; if nothing else, to differentiate a kids meal from an adults. For items sold in stores it makes more sense to carry one size, or very few sizes, and efficiency pushes towards packages that contain more. As an example; a single frozen pizza that I enjoy the flavor of is only carried in one size. A size reasonable for two adults to split as a large meal, which could be split further to a 'nuclear family' with some sides. Instead I'll gorge on it as my only meal of the day because that's the most effective way for me to maximize the value of that 'best market fit' product (I really detest leftovers).
  - aliqot 4y ago
    > It's really hard to get reasonably priced single servings of anything in the US It's the amount you take in vs the amount you expend. Putting it on your plate doesnt mean you must eat it. I went from morbidly obese to showing abs during covid and while doing almost 0 activity just by watching how the weight of what i ate affected the weight on the scale. McDonalds and Kroger can serve me flintstone's size portions and I'll still be fit because I know that for my daily expenditure I need a certain amount. If I know I'll be expending more, i'll consume more. Am I hungry? Absolutely! But you are free to make the choice to eat when idle, or do other more productive things. Hunger doesn't mean starving and it's hard to train your brain to understand 'no'.
the-printer 4y ago
I’m sure you could find a few of their abandoned Tumblr pages if you looked hard enough.
avgcorrection 4y ago
Ok.

lwansbrough 4y ago

I think the theory is that people want to fit in (or alternatively, stand out.) If you surround yourself with people who are transgender, you may inherently want to fit that norm. Not sure whether I agree this is a real phenomenon, but I understand the argument.

XorNot 4y ago
If you reframed the argument as: "there's only so many gay people because they want to fit in and be different and being gay is cool now" then it sounds ridiculous, which tells you everything you need to know about it's validity. Whereas the prevalence in text from antiquity of "men disguising themselves as women" should perhaps give people pause as to why this concept was out there in fiction despite being centuries removed from surgical transitioning being possible Because subtext is dead: because gender dysmorphia isn't new, and it was probably quite common for people to do this "as a joke" as a means of spending time in an identity that they found satisfying, to various levels of acceptance of the community around them. Thus writers and audiences of the time knew of the phenomenon and used it as a plot point - people tend to write what they know. The era of "no women on stage" very likely found a reliable source of men willing to play female characters and doing a very good job of it - otherwise it would've been a bit of a scripting and production problem as well.
- lwansbrough 4y ago
  Well there are people who think they may be gay only to discover that they aren’t over time/through experimentation. So I don’t think it’s unreasonable to allow for a non-binary reality where a person is better off not transitioning, even if they experience feelings of transgenderism.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
  <<If you reframed the argument as: "there's only so many gay people because they want to fit in and be different and being gay is cool now" then it sounds ridiculous, which tells you everything you need to know about it's validity. Without assigning value judgement to the transgender as a norm/not a norm/social construct/we, you cannot dismiss parent's argument this way. Parent is not claiming 'gays exist only as function of emulating other's behavior'. Parent is claiming there is a social factor that is influencing a younger person to claim being transgender. It is hard to easily dismiss it, because kids do in fact attempt to emulate authority figures ( parents ) and peers ( friends ).

googlryas 4y ago

Maybe not want to become, but if there is a small inkling in them, I'm sure the peer groups could encourage that. Imagine someone who wants to try soccer but hangs out with baseball players, versus someone who wants to try soccer and hangs out with soccer players. Who would you suspect has a higher chance of joining a soccer team?

avgcorrection 4y ago
Transsexualism is an infrequently occurring queerism. I have a hard time imagining that there are a lot of 50-50 cis/trans people who just fall on whichever side based on who their friends are.