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What is the government’s minimum standard for a car autopilot to be sold as an “autopilot”? Air autopilots rely on a pilot being present, observant, and able t

by cbeach 4y ago

What is the government’s minimum standard for a car autopilot to be sold as an “autopilot”? Air autopilots rely on a pilot being present, observant, and able to take over if necessary. Air autopilots are not infallible. How could the government come up with benchmark standards for car autopilots when Tesla (and others) are actively inventing the technology? How could Tesla realistically train its ML models if not for the billions of miles of data it collects from Tesla owners? How much damage will this litigation do to American autonomy R&D? How much of the recent Musk hatred (by institutions such as the media, and large elements of the public) is due to Musk re-aligning himself politically against the Democrats and Big Tech?

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> What is the government’s minimum standard for a car autopilot to be sold as an “autopilot”? California seems to be using the Society of Automotive Engineer's standard here, per the forms for applying for an AV license. > Air autopilots rely on a pilot being present, observant, and able to take over if necessary. Air autopilots are not infallible. Air autopilots aren't really comparable. First and foremost, pilots require far more rigorous training than drivers, and are unlikely to be wholly unaware of the limitations of autopilot. It's also almost unanimously agreed that air autopilot is safer than manual flying under some conditions. There's some debate over how heavily it should be used, but I can't find anyone saying it shouldn't be used at all. > How could Tesla realistically train its ML models if not for the billions of miles of data it collects from Tesla owners? Tesla would pay employees, who are well-versed in the risks, to monitor the vehicles while they drive. The same thing that other self-driving companies do. > How much damage will this litigation do to American autonomy R&D? Probably very little. Tesla is the only one selling to consumers, so they're really the only one in the space that could be at risk from this lawsuit. > How much of the recent Musk hatred (by institutions such as the media, and large elements of the public) is due to Musk re-aligning himself politically against the Democrats and Big Tech? I won't discount it as a possibility, but Musk has had a lot of detractors for a long time. It was bound to happen at some point; you can only overpromise and underdeliver for so long before people start to notice.

by cbeach 4y ago

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> What is the government’s minimum standard for a car autopilot to be sold as an “autopilot”? California seems to be using the Society of Automotive Engineer's standard here, per the forms for applying for an AV license. > Air autopilots rely on a pilot being present, observant, and able to take over if necessary. Air autopilots are not infallible. Air autopilots aren't really comparable. First and foremost, pilots require far more rigorous training than drivers, and are unlikely to be wholly unaware of the limitations of autopilot. It's also almost unanimously agreed that air autopilot is safer than manual flying under some conditions. There's some debate over how heavily it should be used, but I can't find anyone saying it shouldn't be used at all. > How could Tesla realistically train its ML models if not for the billions of miles of data it collects from Tesla owners? Tesla would pay employees, who are well-versed in the risks, to monitor the vehicles while they drive. The same thing that other self-driving companies do. > How much damage will this litigation do to American autonomy R&D? Probably very little. Tesla is the only one selling to consumers, so they're really the only one in the space that could be at risk from this lawsuit. > How much of the recent Musk hatred (by institutions such as the media, and large elements of the public) is due to Musk re-aligning himself politically against the Democrats and Big Tech? I won't discount it as a possibility, but Musk has had a lot of detractors for a long time. It was bound to happen at some point; you can only overpromise and underdeliver for so long before people start to notice.