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You've got my attention: this is a possible replacement for the Raspberry Pi units we've been using for IoT applications (hopefully this device will support AWS

by mikece 4y ago

You've got my attention: this is a possible replacement for the Raspberry Pi units we've been using for IoT applications (hopefully this device will support AWS Greengrass 2?). However, unless it can ship in quantity it's little more than an amusement. Getting Ubuntu or NetBSD to run on new hardware isn't the challenge: getting sufficient quantities of the units for prime-time use is.

rwmj 4y ago
AllWinner did a run rumoured to be 5 million dies back in 2019 so there are plenty of the chips floating around (I'm doubtful there are very many of these boards - maybe 1000s?). The numbers are probaby dwarfed by the number of Broadcom chips shipped every month though :-/ The ecosystem as a whole is very undeveloped compared to Raspberry Pi, but that's what we're all working on. It'll take time! I should add that I have another board which uses the same chip & it's slow as molasses, although probably similar to a similarly priced Arm chip running Linux. You get what you pay for, and you're not paying very much.
- snvzz 4y ago
  >it's slow as molasses D1's CPU is comparable to a Pentium III 1GHz, which I remember as something fast, but sure isn't today. The VisionFive2 is also <$100 but outclasses it, with 4x SiFive U74 (between rpi3b+ and 4 performance), GPU from imatech that's supposedly 4x as fast as rpi4's, better video encode/decode acceleration than rpi4, 2x GbE ports, M.2 port and USB3.
  - rwmj 4y ago
    Sure, I'm on the VisionFive2 kickstarter, looking forward to it :-)
rektide 4y ago
Probably more rpi zero speed than rpi 3 or 4 speed. 1GHz single core. But yes, options are very much needed.
BluePen7 4y ago
Have you looked at any of the Pi clones like the Orange Pi? Also if you're building these IoT things at scale, have you looked at the more simple/cheap chips like an ESP32? Obviously I ask without context for what you're doing, but also as an amateur hobbiest who's not even sure which board I should use for my own minor project after Raspberry Pis became unobtainable.
- arglebargle123 4y ago
  I've had hit and miss experiences with Orange Pi specifically. Build quality of their boards is extremely variable, Nano Pi boards cost a bit more but they're much more consistent.
- AlexKraken 4y ago
  I'm more or less in the same boat as you! I've got a few ESP8266s, a Teensy 3.5, and a few Arduino Unos. The ESP8266 has worked the best for my purposes - I added an accelerometer and battery pack, to make handheld sculptures interact with web pages. But if you need all the functionality of a Pi, the simpler chips are noticeably lacking...
c_o_n_v_e_x 4y ago
The company is Chinese. Given recent restrictions, do they even have access to the right fabs?
- rwmj 4y ago
  AllWinner are a prolific fabless semiconductor company and I'm not aware of any restrictions.

by mikece 4y ago

rwmj 4y ago

AllWinner did a run rumoured to be 5 million dies back in 2019 so there are plenty of the chips floating around (I'm doubtful there are very many of these boards - maybe 1000s?). The numbers are probaby dwarfed by the number of Broadcom chips shipped every month though :-/ The ecosystem as a whole is very undeveloped compared to Raspberry Pi, but that's what we're all working on. It'll take time! I should add that I have another board which uses the same chip & it's slow as molasses, although probably similar to a similarly priced Arm chip running Linux. You get what you pay for, and you're not paying very much.

snvzz 4y ago
>it's slow as molasses D1's CPU is comparable to a Pentium III 1GHz, which I remember as something fast, but sure isn't today. The VisionFive2 is also <$100 but outclasses it, with 4x SiFive U74 (between rpi3b+ and 4 performance), GPU from imatech that's supposedly 4x as fast as rpi4's, better video encode/decode acceleration than rpi4, 2x GbE ports, M.2 port and USB3.
- rwmj 4y ago
  Sure, I'm on the VisionFive2 kickstarter, looking forward to it :-)

rektide 4y ago

Probably more rpi zero speed than rpi 3 or 4 speed. 1GHz single core. But yes, options are very much needed.

BluePen7 4y ago

Have you looked at any of the Pi clones like the Orange Pi? Also if you're building these IoT things at scale, have you looked at the more simple/cheap chips like an ESP32? Obviously I ask without context for what you're doing, but also as an amateur hobbiest who's not even sure which board I should use for my own minor project after Raspberry Pis became unobtainable.

arglebargle123 4y ago
I've had hit and miss experiences with Orange Pi specifically. Build quality of their boards is extremely variable, Nano Pi boards cost a bit more but they're much more consistent.
AlexKraken 4y ago
I'm more or less in the same boat as you! I've got a few ESP8266s, a Teensy 3.5, and a few Arduino Unos. The ESP8266 has worked the best for my purposes - I added an accelerometer and battery pack, to make handheld sculptures interact with web pages. But if you need all the functionality of a Pi, the simpler chips are noticeably lacking...

c_o_n_v_e_x 4y ago

The company is Chinese. Given recent restrictions, do they even have access to the right fabs?

rwmj 4y ago
AllWinner are a prolific fabless semiconductor company and I'm not aware of any restrictions.