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Yeah, but that isn't a crime. You can pre-order things. They still claim they will deliver it. Seems like maybe you could do a class-action or something to get

by wilg 4y ago

Yeah, but that isn't a crime. You can pre-order things. They still claim they will deliver it. Seems like maybe you could do a class-action or something to get your money back, but not argue that actually it was reasonable to believe you already had it and therefore are not liable for a crash or whatever.

AlexandrB 4y ago
IANAL but I think you could call it fraud if you never had any intention of delivering. E.g. if I kickstart a perpetual motion machine and then move to the Bahamas with the funds. What's ironic is that despite his image as a genius no one ever holds Elon to account for his failure to accurately predict the state/progress of his own technology. He's either not as smart as people think or he's knowingly lying, but I think you have to pick one.
- wilg 4y ago
  Seems like since they are delivering things, albeit slowly, and spending tons of money developing it, that it would be hard to make that stick.
  - AlexandrB 4y ago
    Yeah, probably true.
mike_d 4y ago
> Yeah, but that isn't a crime. You can pre-order things. It actually is. When accepting a preorder you have to provide a fixed delivery date, or it is assumed to be no later than 30 days after sale (or 50 days if you offer in-house financing). The fraud case here is actually very straightforward. https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/business-guide-ftcs-mail-internet-or-telephone-order-merchandise-rule https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/business-gui...